Monday, November 10, 2014

Dkrz's Followers Comments, Questions and Thoughts

Dkrz's Followers Comments, Questions and Thoughts

My Comments

Dkrz
Nov 03, 2014 at 03:53 pm
Dkrz
"Thank you., this input , with precision in expression, helping me to fine tune my understanding ‘’experiences come and go. Cognition/knowledge remains’’...........so it delineates what is valuable and what is not, and takes one out from illusions of spiritual attainments based on ‘’experiences’’, like unusual visions apparitions /images/noises/messages/coincidences, and resultant mixed feelings/emotions leading them to relate with bhakthi/ista devatha etc , missing the ‘’Cognition/knowledge’’ they might have/ have not stumbled up on , hence, resultant glorification of mysticism.‘’That is what I have been telling all along - 'anubhava' is not a 'pramana', it is subjective, differs from person to person, and cannot be passed on.……..…yes, perfectly reasonable, most important to distinguish what to really learn from the great souls, separating the biography[ it may have due place as an inspiration], and person-specific ‘’miracles’’ and only getting at the insights they have gained and expressed, which only can enrich the wisdom . ‘’Knowledge is obtained through Pramana - 'Valid means of knowledge'’’………..yes, for this one himself should be able to gain access to the field within ie ’’satyam gnyanam anantam ‘’nice to read details on navarasas, and their adoption ‘’Bharata’s “Nātyasāstra has only eight rasas’’……….this appears right, since he is a rsi, who did see’’rasovaisaha’’, and has no confusion Ānandavardhana being an aesthetician, not a rsi, might have given only an extrapolation, but its own beauty, and relating shantha with mukthi in his own way, I too tend to differ with him, but I like to read it .Similarly Abhinavagupta the famous Polymath , not a rsi, must have simply liked it and felt like adding it as 9 th rasaMy comments are just my gut feeling, but advaitin ‘s stand appeals me more.Shantha/ rasovaisah state it tallies with ‘’gap value / sandhi‘’ by some people, like the ‘’carrier wave ‘’ in electronics, over which 8 rasas have their play , ‘’This last para has enough feed for me ‘’I am not sure whether the purpose of the aesthetician/s is to take the connoisseurs from the experience to cognition, but I have never seen it happening. Cognition is different. And it is only after cognition that one can appreciate the aesthetics’’’’ This para has a lot for me to think and comment, I like to explore in detail ......after a pause , pranams"
Oct 06, 2014 at 12:02 pm
Dkrz
"I submit here, the verses of veda taught to us in our above courseSangachadvam Samvadadvam sam vo manaamsi janatham|Deva bhagam yatha poorve sanjanana mupasathe|| Rigveda10.191.2O you men! You join and live together. Talk to each other with love. Let all your minds be common Just as the way the noble men have been doing their dutiesearlier you also do your duties similarly. Samanomantrah samithih samaanee samaanam manah saha chithameshaam|Samanam mantramabhi mantraye vah samanena vo havisha juhomi|| Rigveda 10.191.13 Let all your thoughts and hymns be common. Let all your assembly be common. Let your austere vows and spiritual resolve be common. May be your minds be alike and united. I provide you all with common food and drink and needs of life. May you enter from all sides; merge entirely in the common consciousness. Samaneeva akoothih samaana hridayani vah|Samaana masthu vo mano yatha vah susahasathi|| Rigveda 10.191.14Let, all your resolve be common. Let, all your hearts be common. Let, your minds be common. Hence, let all your works be got done well.How elevating the thoughts on Unity! Come and think over other Mantras. Samprachadvamupa samprayatha|| Yajurveda 15.53 O man! You all join together and travel together. Not only this. Sanjeevaa stha| Atharva 19.69.3 You all live together. Then, what is the need to live together? Pumaan pumamamsam pari pathu vishwathah| Everyman should protect the other in all respects. Sam jneedwam sam prichadvam| Atharva 6.64.1 Entertain common thoughts and be together. The Vedic Ideal however is Nakirdeva mini masi nakira yopayamasi mantrashruthyam charamasi|Pakshehirapikshe bhi ratrabhi sam rabhamahe|| Rigveda 10.134.7 Hey Noble men! We do not commit violence. We do not hurt others. We do not quarrel either. We of course, chant Vedas and act according to its dictates. We even join hands even with straw like men and act fast.Vedas give us command, Mitho vignana upayanthu mrithyam| Atharvaveda 6.32.3 People who quarrel among themselves become fodder to the death.Hence, God’s children do not quarrel. Then who are God’s children? Tehi putraso aditevridu dweshamsi yothave|| Rigveda 8.18.5 Those who drive away the enemies and know how to keep them away are real children of God."
Oct 01, 2014 at 05:44 pm
Dkrz
"Your presence is inspiration, i find speaking tree is a miniature model of the universe, given to all of us like a wonderful play school for children , to play, to learn, to grow as worthy leaders to influence the bigger real universe. and lead all towards higher life with all the virtues .here participation is wide , includes all religions, philosophies, different levels of wisdom/abilities ,scientists , artists, poets, writers, masters, seekers, all age groups, nationalities, beliefs,back grounds, resulting in sharing different point of views , enthusiastically , energetically, and some times with deep sentiments and consequent emotions, some are open minded, some are funloving, some for passing time, some are obstinate, some times discourteous, and it's a challenge to be together and to travel and keep ourselves in track , to be within limits.i will not judge , every one's likes and ways are unique i keep these in view1.. what is it that i am giving here2.. what is it that i am taking home3 .. whether am i learning and growing in wisdom or not4.. above i take it all it is a self exploration, the blogs dialogs give enough leads to look into myself more 5 ..kisiko kaise pathar maaroon kaun paraya hai sheesh mahal me ek ek chehara apna lagtha hai since ''yatha pinde..... so all personalities here are different images of my own personalityif i find bad , it is an image of my own badness, since '' poornamadah....poornamidam ..'', the god made universe is perfect in its own way , mountain and the squirrel having a quarrel this makes me a responsible participant, , and be as hansa, of neera ksheera nyaaya, and grow as shiva who is able to hold garala in his kanta , unaffected , and help in ksheera sagara manthanam and wait for emergence of all the kama dhenu kalpa vriksha and amritand i see the unexpected wealth do surface in this process, but both devas and rakshasas becoming powerful team and lord surely may come as mohini [in some form] and set things right things at right time and the neem tree may yield sweet fruits one of the best fruit is this venture of religious harmony and we st souls getting the privilege of reading and knowing and doing some thing good without st, [ with all its slight aberrations ] this great opportunity would have lost among the din of media news things will improve, ''yes we can ''and visa denied, but red carpet spread, world is getting united, towards vasudhaika kutumbakamlet st be that training field , just on the desk top, let keyboard be our mala inour tapasya under the speaking treeand perfection has no limits......"
Sep 30, 2014 at 07:45 pm
Dkrz
"I submit here, the verses of veda taught to us in our above courseSangachadvam Samvadadvam sam vo manaamsi janatham|Deva bhagam yatha poorve sanjanana mupasathe|| Rigveda10.191.2O you men! You join and live together. Talk to each other with love. Let all your minds be common Just as the way the noble men have been doing their dutiesearlier you also do your duties similarly. Samanomantrah samithih samaanee samaanam manah saha chithameshaam|Samanam mantramabhi mantraye vah samanena vo havisha juhomi|| Rigveda 10.191.13 Let all your thoughts and hymns be common. Let all your assembly be common. Let your austere vows and spiritual resolve be common. May be your minds be alike and united. I provide you all with common food and drink and needs of life. May you enter from all sides; merge entirely in the common consciousness. Samaneeva akoothih samaana hridayani vah|Samaana masthu vo mano yatha vah susahasathi|| Rigveda 10.191.14Let, all your resolve be common. Let, all your hearts be common. Let, your minds be common. Hence, let all your works be got done well.How elevating the thoughts on Unity! Come and think over other Mantras. Samprachadvamupa samprayatha|| Yajurveda 15.53 O man! You all join together and travel together. Not only this. Sanjeevaa stha| Atharva 19.69.3 You all live together. Then, what is the need to live together? Pumaan pumamamsam pari pathu vishwathah| Everyman should protect the other in all respects. Sam jneedwam sam prichadvam| Atharva 6.64.1 Entertain common thoughts and be together. The Vedic Ideal however is Nakirdeva mini masi nakira yopayamasi mantrashruthyam charamasi|Pakshehirapikshe bhi ratrabhi sam rabhamahe|| Rigveda 10.134.7 Hey Noble men! We do not commit violence. We do not hurt others. We do not quarrel either. We of course, chant Vedas and act according to its dictates. We even join hands even with straw like men and act fast.Vedas give us command, Mitho vignana upayanthu mrithyam| Atharvaveda 6.32.3 People who quarrel among themselves become fodder to the death.Hence, God’s children do not quarrel. Then who are God’s children? Tehi putraso aditevridu dweshamsi yothave|| Rigveda 8.18.5 Those who drive away the enemies and know how to keep them away are real children of God."
Oct 01, 2014 at 05:55 pm
Dkrz
"Sidhartha is calling me, i must go, but i owe a reply to Hemuji on this .,here it is ''Do you see yourself as Krishna or Arjuna?''........i see myself as Krishna and Arjuna, ie higher self guiding the lower self i am Arjuna in the manifest world , but ''I am That'' unmanifest in my deep insidebut the proportion varies,K : A= 50:50 or 10:90 or 80:20 at different times.the quality/effectiveness of my actions /reactions/ responses vary accordingly, but i am tending towards increasing the K content gradually‘’How can you make anyone realize anything? This is just an ego trip. Therefore this trip is mithya.’’a realized soul who experiences ‘’I am that ‘’, ‘’all this is that’’, ‘’you are that ‘’, will not keep quite when immorality is rising, dharma is degrading, but will do every bit to see that every human being rises to reaches that level, and no deviations happen in the smooth running of the universe it is definitely supreme ‘’Ego trip’’ to make each and every every individual ego to rise to the level of supreme Ego, though it can be viewed as mithya, or leela , or drama of jagannataka suthradhari, it is a necessary intervention in the manifest world thereby the emergence of avatars, sages, saints, swamis , babas, mathas, sadhvies, swaminies , philosophers, intellectuals, scientists, artists, and all the innovations and enterprises, it’s a continuous process of evolution from lower consciousness to higher consciousness, by each and every means, -----a manifestation of which is this meeting of religious leaders too------ all not to keep quiet and suffer , like ‘’ dumb driven cattle ‘’ when things are going berserk , but to get up , and start appropriate corrective action ‘’There is nothing to realize.’’………this is after realization , not before After becoming a post graduate professor, one need not go to the primary school to learn alphabets, for him there is nothing to learn But for kids, for students, for undergraduates, for needy individuals trainers/teachers/coaches/masters/ professors /pundits/ experts are surely required In other words, a guru parampaa, a krisha arjuna samvada, a process of teaching and learning, a mother cat teaching the child cat , …….all is inbuilt into the system , and it is as per / due to te will of supreme will that lies beyond ‘’mithya’’ yet manipulates mithya in the best possible way ‘’What state have we reached?’’-----------to know where we are in the journey , requires the knowledge and familiarity of the total guide map all the stages from start to finish…in the same as way we need a map to figure out where we are in the journey from say Bangalore to Delhi .Broadly there are 7 stages, ie, sleep, dream, wake, turia[rsi], turiaatheeth[maharsi], daivee[devarsi], brahmi[ brahmarsi] One can assess his level by knowing the specs of these stages ‘’ Was there ever a state to be reached? ‘’……….there is a state to be reached ‘’brahmarsi’’, which is final, no further So no further questions??…….yes, no more questions but all answers revealed yes, it is the state of sarvagna, sarva Samartha, sarva vyaapi all knowing, all powerful, all expansive and hence the need of journey from mithya to sathyaand essential need of an expert guide , sathguru"
Oct 05, 2014 at 10:58 am

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