idol worship more s

 idol worship more s

1 A true Support for The Spiritual Neophyte is right guidance from the master who lives divinity in think talk walk, which provides him a glimpse of the absolute beyond the name form attributes.
once this experience is gained all idol worship becomes an expression of his great great great devotion to his ista, the absolute coming live in the name form and infinite attributes of ista, 
idol is a consequent result of the realization of the formless absolute 
this may kindly be noted
without gaining he glimpse of absolute the idol wordhip ends in seeking to quench thirst in mirage

 

For prana pratishta, and avaahanam to the god in the idol , the basis is the experience of pure consciousness, if not it remains a surface ritual

 

1.1 with the experience of the basic , para of supreme, gods of one's choice will become lively and are ready to come before the devotee at his beck and call, and shower all the blessings and their powers and the devotee himself merges and he becomes the god himself, like chaithanya prabhu became lord kishan himself 

1.2 other common experience is ---at the time of pooja/ harathi with manthrocharana and bells ringing, a devotee who has a purity level becomes charged with god

in kannada it is called, devatha maiyolage baruthade, and devotee starts talking some strange words/ even foretell future , body loosing the usual balance, shaking or vibrating etc 

my grandma , and one of my aunt used to get that experience, ie super consciousness taking over 

but why others did not get 

since they have not got that level of purity where devathas become alive

 

1.3 the whole idea of any path is to awaken all the inner potentialities and live a mahimaanvitha life
manthras opening the doors of gods and gods becoming live bestowing all the boons and mahimas 

and all possibilities open up with the experience of para , if not they remain only as words and images

 

1.4 For a beginner, experience of absolute nirakar nirgun is an absolute necessity. the most needed spark to light up the lamp of the self and illumine the path for further journey 

all spiritual journey starts with this one essential, to enable the seeker to go on the right track 

hence first , neti neti , shankara reaching that state of shivoham, shivakevaloham, nothing but chidananda roopaha , leaving behind all that limits the mind with any thought 
once that goal is gained, the life is supercharged with divinity 
and the vision sees all pervading absolute in every manifestation, 
every thing becomes godly, rich, full, sacred 
and the heart overflows with bhakthi and all devi devathas come to shake hand with him 
the idol then becomes the lord himself in what ever idol worshipped
and in that state , he sang soundarya lahari, shiananda lahari glorifying every aspect of shivas nama roopa mahima 

prior to the experience of the transcendental lord he was not satisfied with any thing

only after that experience , every thing become iti iti 

hence for a beginner, the upanayana sanskar , first foremost to provide the experience of the pure nirakar nirgun self. 

1.5 i am not against the idolatry
but cautioning on the significance, priority aspect ,

thyagaraja was asking rama 

''tera teeyaga raadaa '' 

ie rama why to hide your real transcendental nature behind your nama roopa

also prurandara was asking rama 

neeny yako ninna hangu yaako 

ie what for are you and your glory , is not your name alone sufficient?

 

the proof of pudding is in the eating

rk also was asked by his guru tota puri to break the idol 
and he did, and he realized , since by this at that moment, he overcame the obstructing nama roopa mahima of the idol

 

1.6  Hence the need of a guru parampara , and the need of true master .
without it , many seekers remain only on putting efforts but will be deprived of the great mahimas of gods 
for activating the mahimas in the personality, mere reciting the manthras is not sufficient
but the experience of the absolute is a must 

since many are not aware of this fundamental of spirituality, and not getting guided by true masters, the humanity continues in ignorance, and hence in suffering unending , despite putting all efforts in all the festivals poojas rituals

there is a gulf of difference between a person worshiping a god as a routine and a person who experienced the absolute worshiping a god 

that is why many devotees remain unfulfilled in life time

 

 

1,.7 What ever one does or does not do, finally the question remains 

'' whether he got that most vital spiritual experience, atmanubhoothi, self realization, realization of the absolute para brahman, beyond the mental range , beyond icons, beyond words,

if one gets it thru idol wordhip, why not , yes it is done 
but the bitter truth remains, despite all worships to all gods by all men all over the world, heaven really has not dawned on life in their life 

but those who did gain that experience are enjoying the life in bliss, seeing really live gods in every particle, article, dust , garbage, 
infact in every thing ranging from 

anor aniyan mahatho mahiyan 

and this experience is real, not a assumption or hope or unattainable ideal, but god living live in them in their presence, playing with them talking to them, lending a helping hand like in the life of sakkubai in grinding the dana floor 

it was possible, since the base was the experience of the ultimate pure consciousness, nothing less

 

 

2 we must know when exactly an individual in his life becomes an ardent intense seeker, an earnestly inquisitive Spiritual Neophyte
and how is fire, the intense thirst for understanding enigmas of life kindles, grows, and makes him to move forward
also 
how, why. when that fire becomes dim and gets put off on the way, without reaching the goal of life, 
life just spending and ending in an ignorant state

 

3 one can be the seeker at any age till the last moment, yet wanting to know god even on death bed .
but our own experience indicates that 
human beings truly become most interested in knowing life just after passing the early childhood , right at that start of adolescence, this is the stage when his desire is strongest to know the unknown

 

4 since, the early childhood is spent in learning the very basics, of crawling, standing, sitting, walking, learning movements of limbs, talking, cognizing, memory, seeing things around , talking, hearing, identifying, responding, reaching, manipulating 
after he knew and learnt these basics, faces some puzzles which are outside his grasp 
he now starts to search answers for this

 

5 in the childhood, he is given dolls, toys,models, pictures, idols, icons to enable him to learn , play and get to know just an idea of world and life,
once he learns, he finds not much interesting, and now gets ready to know the actual, real world, 
since in every child there is a dhruva, there is a prahlad, there is a budha, there is a rk, there is vivekananda wanting very moch to know reality , to know more and more the inside story , not happy, not content with toys for long

 

6 here is the critical stage where human life takes a turn or does not take a turn, 

6.1 intelligent enlightened parents send him under the guidance of a true master, for initiation to give him the first glimpse of the absolute thru upanayana sanskar, the true spiritual support to the spiritual neophite, enabling him to graduate from the world of images, illusions, to the reality within

he proceeds quickly, reaches higher consciousness quickly , attains the brahman consciousness , becomes eligible for successful adult life , in both spiritual and material worlds with the best wisdom, ultimate discretion, with glorious achievements, all along, with supreme power and mastery in every field , as a sarvagna, a muktha , in ananda, in the state of yogastha 

 

6.2 if not, he misses the chance, entangled himself in the life ,assuming that toys, idols , icons, images as real, and hoping life long that some day the toys become real, which never can become, e does every thing , but in futility , and thus ends life in futility
this need not be elaborated, since we see the way the present world , its way of working, on news and tv, a continuous serial episodes of crime suffering, cheating, disease, accidents, exploitation, revolutions, wars, greed, hatred, lust and so on, since life is lived in false knowledge, mithya dominating over sathya, and preya overtaking shreya

 

7 the kid plays with the toys, dolls, and he plays long enough in different ways, and derives the maximum fun 

and then what he does?

he simply starts breaking them, breaking into pieces, 
in curiosity, in boredom, in disgust ,

breaking them open, trying to see what is inside it , 
what the stuff it is made of, 

and having found nothing interesting, nor worthwhile in it 
he simply throws them out, throws them away not to look at them once again

that means he has now graduated that stage of playing with toys and dolls , he has now become adolescent, the spiritual neophyte, a young prahlad, wanting to know that by which every thing becomes known 
he has become the crown prince aspiring to rule the universe , 
to make it to run his errands at his beck and call

 

8  alas, at this time, instead of right guidance, the boy receives all suppression, in the name of discipline, reverence, faith, sin, belief,  hope, and countless forms of impositions and conditioning leading him to remain only a pigmy, unfulfilled, his greatest potentialities becoming undiscovered unactualized in daily life,

 

The man remains doing only doing and following rituals injunctions and instructions in the name of religion blindly , moreover glorifying and teaching these to others all, ending as blind leading the blind

 

9 now comes the logical question on the origin of idol, devatha murthi, why how what when where of the murthi , and murthi pooja ?

 

 

9.1 parabrahm, the absolute, niraakaar, nirgun , unmaifest pure consciousness is the underlying basis, it is like the most elementary, fundamental raw material with which the entire sagun, saakaar, manifest levels of consciousness , the jada chethan to jeeva chaithanya are created with all variety and novelty, in various stratums of existence, the 14 lokas, from the subtlest to grossest , with different levels of beings like deva, gandharva, kinnera, kimpurusha, 
their existence is perceivable by the human if his level of purity is raised
more the purity, the greater is the manifestation of devi devathas
rishis and saints thru their tapasya did raise their purity levels and experienced

 the access to these stratums of existence, rather entered the relevant lokas and found certain truths

 

9.2  these truths they wanted to express with the best of their abilities thru different mediums of communication , scriptures, words, songs, literature, poetry, epics, romanticism, word pictures,

and with the help of these descriptions of truths, word pictures, different artists created drawings, paintings, sculptures, murthis. Temples, ornaments, decorations, visuals, , music, dance , drama, movies, dolls, idols, icons, and these creations came out to be so charming that they were liked, loved, valued, respected, adored, emulated, preserved, carried forward down the generations 

 

9.3 for example, peace is a potential quality , a law of nature, of the unmanifest absolute, which is the reservoir of all gunas, ie all the laws of nature cognizable by a rishi in the deepest samadhi 
so he says shanthi
and he repeats shanthi shanthi shanthihi, to emphasize the profundity
and he may say shaanthaakaram , an embodiment of peace, though there is not any body as such 

this is the origin of idol conception.

now to communicate this abstract law of nature, he chooses a concrete . visible media
he chooses his own body , human body as the media / icon 

he depicts a word picture of a person with a face, eyes half closed , expressing the calm , restful, posture, shayanam, 

this is how the law of nature, takes the visible identity

now this hint is taken by an artist, and he creates a beautiful picture / colorful painting / graceful sculpture / a small or big murthi , idol

this is how the idol gets created 

seeing its value, charm, utility, truth, beauty goodness one starts adoring it , calls a form of god, a devatha murthi , 

this is how a devatha murthi comes into existence 

and one would like to decorate it, offer food to it , like to bathe it , makes a shade over it , gives vasthra aabharana, mala, sindhoora , 

thus the origin of temples and idolatry starts

and now the common man forgets that it is a law of nature
blind worship continues

and truth of idol is totally covered up and lost to vision, man misses the track , ignorance abounds , rebounds, 

that is how idol becomes a obstruction to see the truth, though all happening with the best of intentions, 
this continues till the man wakes up , by the call of a realized soul

 

9.4 and, 
birth, growth, decay is another set of laws of nature .
so when the seer sees decay he says hara, the destructive / death principle
and he also sees that it is part of total goodness, so he calls it shivam, 
and the principle is personified. metaphorized, as god shiva, and all his episodes are detailed in terms of a murthi, again in the human form with body limbs and features 
and further it is made into an idol and worshipped since there what was seen is the goodness in the process of decay and death 

so idol conveys not any human form with all mahimas but the laws of nature 
but man does not see the principle, sees only what is made visible , only an idol .

the truth of any deva is the laws of nature they represent, not the nama roopa guna 
it is amply clear in vedic injunction , ie rigveda, ''richo akshare parame vyoman yasmin deva adhi visheve nishedhuhu '' 

 

9.5
''richo akshare parame vyoman 
yasmin deva adhi vishve nisheduhu. 
yasthannaveda kim richa karishyathi''

knowledge is stuctured in consciousness, 
the pure field of creative intelligence,
beyond the subtlest thinking level, 
the pure awareness, the pure being , 
in which reside the impulses of creative intelligence, 
the laws of nature responsible for the whole creation
he whose awareness is not open to this level of life, 
what can these accomplish for him

it is clear that gods, devas, are laws of nature 

-----the laws of nature , ie, gods , devas, are existing for ever, ever alert, without a wink, ''animesha'' is their one description, the one who does not close the eyes

system exists , entities come and go
gods are system components, so eternally existing 

and they are no idol, none can see the laws of nature in the idol , as long as one is not going beyond the idol, to the field of akshara, the pure consciousness , , 
the reality of devas is they being , the principles / the laws of nature underlying the governance of the universe 
this is the limitation caused at idol worship level 
one has to necessarily go beyond

hence remains ignorant since 
''yasthannaveda kim richa karishyathi''

 

10 truth of krishna is actually the krishna consciousness, 
also truth of any god is the relevant consciousness, 
the particular cluster/ package / bunch of a few relevant principles, 
nothing physical, nor mental, nor the feel aspect like reverence devotion etc , 
but it is an aspect of the transcendental reality in which infinite mahimas exist eternally , 
not only of a particular god 
so once , the experience of this ultimate truth, the pure consciousness is actually accessed the mahimas start getting downloaded on to the individual earthly life 

and once such mahimas are invoked, one is able to create that god in words, word pictures, messages songs pictures paintings , and he selects any medium, any symbol, mostly human selects own image and treats them with additional add ons like 4 hands, and all such glorifications in proportion to his ability to create and express.
that is his privilege. so devotees did create a image of their liking, 
shankara too, in his shivananda lahari did describe elaborately 
though he declared neti neti, chidananda roopaha 
since he did experience the transcendental reality and is in aposition to sing any god's glory as he feels .
so 
in conclusion, first the transcendental consciousness, means can be any, including idol worship , and then creation, and glorification of any god of one's choice and ability 
so for this guru guidance is vital to know how to go beyond

KALI YUGA (started 5,119 years ago)

 

KALI YUGA  (started  5,119 years ago)

MAJOR CHARACTERISTICS:

There is virtually no austerity, compassion or cleanliness in society.

Truthfulness gradually disappears (these are the four legs of religion).

Duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day by day.

Yuga-Dharma will be the singing of Gods Holy Names.

Vedic teachings will then be perverted and then totally lost.

Rulers will be cruel, greedy and self-serving.

Strife, ignorance, malice, intoxication, sex addiction & cow killing all increase.

Humans live with a predominance of the mode of ignorance

By the end, men will be savage dwarfs who live for a maximum of 25 years.

Lifespan is 100 years, average height is 3.5 cubits = 1.6m

The Godly and Ungodly live in the same body (everyone has both demoniac and godly qualities)

Who is a Brahmin? జగమెరిగిన బ్రాహ్మణునికి జంధ్యమెందుకు

 

Who is a Brahmin? జగమెరిగిన బ్రాహ్మణునికి జంధ్యమెందుకు అనగా పరబ్రహ్మ గురించి తెలిసిన, తెలుసుకున్న వానికి, బాహ్య చిహ్నములతో పనిలేదని, భావము

brahmin is one who has gained the experience of brahman,
who has gained access to brahman,
who lives brahman in his think talk walk naturally effortlessly
who is a brahma gyani by the authenticity of direct experience and access to brahmagyan within,
not from books and lectures, nor a scripture parrot

he has no dos and donts 
his life is in alignment with brahman, so what ever he does , what ever speaks comes out in line with brahman governing the universe, as infallible, flawless, spontaneous 

can we be one if we change our attitude?
no, not enough to change attitude, since it is not possible to really change attitude without the experience of brahman

By default every human is born as shudra, even when born to brahmin parents

only after one is initiated into the experience of brahman , 
thru the process of upanayana sanskar , 
the most important out of the 16, shodasha sanskars,
that the individual becomes a ''dvija '', the ''twice born'', the brahmin, not before that 

emphasis is on the real, true, authentic ,direct experience of brahman
in the upanayana sanskar , not just on the ritual of getting initiated .
the ritual is meaningless, waste , useless,, unless it provides that direct experience. and for this any one is eligible not necessarily only from the brahmin parents 

point to be noted is , 
offspring of brahmin parents will not be ''dwijas'' , ie brahmins automatically, 
but will become only thru that sanskar , and more vital , thru that experience of brahman 
as indians we are far away from truth, when we categorize, label, certify the one as brahmin if born to brahmin parents

 

in my schooldays, one godman uttered the statement , ''Kaliyuga is the age of shudras and mlecchas. There are hardly any brahmans here''

the whole so called ''brahmin'' community became offended and almost hounded him out from the town

 

All surface treatments of dos and donts 
and change in attitude are just psychological , on the mental plane, 
and will not make one brahmin, if tried even life long , will not transform nor elevate him to ''brahma gyani'' and hence cannot make him brahmin

 

but 
a effective meditation process 
learned thru and practiced under guidance of guru, 
leads one directly to the sacred feet of krishna paramathma , 
i repeat, ''paramathma'' , ie ''parama'' purusha, in total surrender 
and root level purification and transformation takes place 
parama, para, are the key words , ie one to go beyond all the gross and finer levels of body , mind, intellect, feeling, words and meanings 
to the one silent pure consciousness, absolute para brahma ,the gyan murthi

 thru the gyan of that level, , all the impurities will be burnt , routed out from seed level 
and now the individual is a shining ''dwija'', twice born, a real brahmin in every sense of this great term

kaivalya . ..what is kaivalya ??

 

kaivalya
.
..what is kaivalya ??

kaivalya darshan??

kaivalya prapthi??

 

kaivalya is ''onlyness''', not ''lonelyness''
it is ''i only exist, i am all, what ever exists is me ''

 

it is gradual deletion of ''differences'' between me and between each and every variety

 

how the difference can be deleted??

it is not changing the existing uniqueness of things , or size /shape/ qualities of them , but identifying the ''commonness'' among them

and gradually rising to see ''commonness '' that prevails in every thing / every one

 

this is the ability of ''kaivalya darshan''

it is the ability to sync the variety into one common entity

 

when the ability of seeing the commonness/uniformity/sameness in totality reaches peak, ,it is '' kaivalya prapthi

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ie seeing the universe as his own self ,brahmanda becomes one's own pinda inseparably existing as oneself totally

kabir and sai never read yet experienced the alertness of conscience

 

kabir and sai never read yet experienced the alertness of conscience"-- this is the core aspect of spirituaity

this opens all packets of knowledge from within .

million books cannot give such experience

all my blogs thousands are from inside , packets of knowledge getting opened ever since i started my meditation

i do not read books of saints

but if i open geetha or other vachans i find that what is said is coinciding with what i scribbled long back

this is called reading the inner script

And my guru has clarified this clue that this is the way to get the spiritual truths even vedic truths from within

and then authenticating the scriptural truths in the book

books will not authenticate that got by experience

but books get authenticated by the truths experienced inside

my inside vision in fact gives the certificate to a saint saying that yes his word is truth , if i find it as truth from my inside

 

"no prophet was purified . all did minor or major sins knowingly or unknowingly.."

agreed

----------every one may fall, fail on the way

whether they reached the goal

if so how nearer

some reached nearest

some had gone sufficiently nearer

yet some had only glimpses

and many men do not have any idea of path or goal

 

many prophets were non vegetarian... many did wars ... many killed ants when they walked or sat... in that way every prophet had done minor or major sin , ignorantly or un intentionally.

To empathy and sympathy human and innocent beings is the best way to raise your conscience. this would work much faster than searching gods in rituals, festivals , ghee lamps, candles and prayers.’’

 

But To empathy and sympathy human and innocent beings is the best way to raise your conscience.---this is cart before horse hence will not work , so problems continue

to raise your conscience. is the best way To empathy and sympathy human and innocent beings---this is horse before cart hence is working , all enlightened souls go voluntarily for human help and service to mankind thru seva programmes ,

so to solve the problem of poverty suffering ---raise the consciousness

this is the message to next gen emphatic from me

judging others

 

judging others 

to err  is human or inhuman ? ~---

this can be answered best by the person who is doing that error

what he does is an error or not cannot be judged precisely by other than himself , he may have the valid reasons and compulsions which others not aware, 

only thing we must learn from any situation we see is that we should not do such errors if they are errors 
and our assessment on others doing may be itself erroneous, who knows 
one sees it a error, other sees it as just a great sin, or unavoidable necessity
like killing a goat or chicken 
i consider it as great sin 

but butcher/ or nonveg 'n does not call it a sin
and my views should not be imposed, just because i see it as sin/ error 
osama bin had his logic for doing uman bomb 
obama had a different logic

 ''what is best at any time at any place for any individual or all individuals  -''
there cannot be a precise and single answer.

at best i can vent only some raw feelings and think that i am the greatest genius for no reason 
and one may see it as me being in delusion 
and one's assessment is right also but from one's angle 

and what majority ignorant feel or believe or suggest may not be the best solution , may not be solution at all 
one wise man may give brilliant answer far better than million mediocre

 

Jottings

One has to define what success means to him

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Chethana nithya yauvvana

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Is there any thing that is other than nature?

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universe reacts to individual action''----mmy

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range of action is unfathomable ----bg 

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To err indicates ignorance 
wise do no fault

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In deep sleep one can be awake

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To be successful, a man has to learn not to exert himself,

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Mind disturbs me

i do not disturb mind

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We are all Saints, levels ranging from 0 to infinity

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I see he in you

i see you in me

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Right teaching leads to great results

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One to choose to be the richest poor, or the poorest rich

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Teaming initially

pioneering eventually

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Mathematics is truly secular, owns all subjects, equally

man becomes secular due to feeling of insecurity, unequally, 

depending on calculations of self interest, universally, unequivocally

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Expression of truth is love

by tuning to gallery, one will come down

 by tuning to gallery, one will come down from excellence one wants to create and express, censored by own discretion 

saints did not bother 
meera ho gai magan
akka mahadevi, lived bare body unmindful of others 
any manipulation is adulteration of original impulse to flow perfectly 
pioneers dared to go against the established conformist approach 

raise yourselves to a state where your universe functions so perfectly

 

raise yourselves to a state where your universe functions so perfectly and so automatically that you do not have to intervene, your will gets implemented as the supreme commandment , you being in a state of naishkarmya sidhi
All the participants in the universe universe, speaking tree are the reflections of my own infinite personalities that i am 
it is sharing of joy to be '' my self conversing myself ''
''self moving in itself governs the universe''
the effect is subtle, imperceptible, yet this joy harmonizes the whole universe , frees it from every distortion , in some measure , ''task is done without my doing''

my self conversing with myself ''
it is the self referral, most powerful

There is a level of truth which is the basis of all ''Dharma Principles, Philosophies, Tradition, Culture, Value System etc.'' that level of existence is beyond all these 
once that level is attained these become just elementary lessons , 
the purpose of life is to move steadfastly towards that level, come what may, and reach that level first. 
in that level life gets aligned with the one universal dharma and life becomes just innocent play filled with love and bliss, enjoying in life the reality of 
''sahanaavavathu sahanau bhunakthu 
sahaveeryam karavaavahai
tejaswinavadheetha masthu 
maa vidvishavahai
om shanthi shanthi shanthi ''Yes, i too do not mean to negate material world. 

but to gain the ability to engage in conscious decisions and actions while being in material world. , he asked to rise in higher consciousness, ''nishthraigunyo bhava'' It also means, achieve the most in all the 4 varnas in life which is dharma, artha, kaama and moksha.., but key is to be '' nitya sathvastho niryogakshemamamaathmavaan ''

Best one can do is to rise to infinite potential , it is first priority, once that is done , any undertaking gets accomplished infallibly

for that one has to unscrupulously re-prioritize once tasks , without waiting for any thing or any one 

the first thing to be defended and preserved against all ''under use'', ''over use'' ,''misuse'', ''abuse'' ,''unuse'' is our most precious time, efforts, attention, and resources., not to fall into any trap and dissipate / dilute unnecessarily

Essence of krishnas teaching is ''become yogastha''

We must raise ourselves to that level of divinity where there will not be a need to fight at all. that level of divinity makes one saturated with sweetest divine love which does find any other than oneself in the universe , one becomes the universe whole, lives his vishva roopa india became weak and confused lapsed into inaction, and into degeneration for the one single reason that indians lost the access to sathya , for which the means is tapasya the enemy is within, so the solution for all the problems is to raise ourselves first foremost, earliest in life , and lead a life of vishva vijetha any other solution is ineffective , so let's not get distracted by any number of encounters from outside

My simplest question , to any one,.. ''did you get enlightenment or not ??''

in life , for each and every individual, the foremost priority is to get enlightened, 

let the world be the way it is , 
cleaning to start from inside , 

without it, any amount of trying to clean outside will be unwise, 
life is precious, time is limited

If some considers that he has some ''goods'' he has infinite choices to pass on them to the world , one can donate, exchange, sell, make a living out of it, he can also do aggressive salesmanship, offer free gifts, discounts, door to door marketing, advertise, or cheating on poor quality, or push though it though obsolete outdated and even see that other fellow does not come in his way by any of means fair or foul, all knowingly or innocently or by compulsion

he may denigrate with loudmouth that others goods are inferior , though of superior quality .

finally the consumer is the ultimate factor in deciding the real worth, though he may enjoy the fun for a while 
time proves , sathyam eva jayathe

Brahman has unfathomable depth , level ranging from surface to the utmost bottom [ sath ] like in an ocean.

vipra bahuda vadanthi because their penetration / diving is also upto a depth different for different vipra, not ultimate 
but every vipra who did a kinchit depth can cognize and express that kinchit of the total truth 
they need to reach the ultimate to express the totality 

dishes are never the same 
but essential ingredients are same and proportion and way of serving is different 
also not all dishes may contain all ingredients , 

for the one who has tasted the ultimate best dish , other lesser dishes will become superfluous, even lacking in adequate taste 
not every one knows the full art of cookery, total ingredients, right process, proper proportions
and since ''loko bhinna ruchih'' their are likes, dislikes, addicts ,and sharing, eulogizing, to the degree of fanaticism, like veg hating non veg and vice versa , and emergence of different cook books / recipes,/ menu cards / and restaurants and star hotels and simultaneously the road side eateries 

one has to taste samples and skip till one discovers the best dish 
this exploration has to continue, so continues....

This is really the bottom line......'' many of our Indians are so confused that they don't know what they are up to some times....''.
Reason is simple. ours being rushi sanskruthi , all our wisdom that is there in vedas , upanishaths, puranas, kaavyaas itihaasas and the traditions, systems, customs, rituals, entire way of life and the value system ,had the basis of deep tapasya , and the lineage of guru parampara.

down the passage of times, this basis / foundation , ie tapasya got lost, teaching lost the purity , and what remains is just rubble after collapse , of the magnanimous edifice .
we are just picking the ruins dusting them and polishing them to the best of our abilities , but any such effort is just ''some thing is better than nothing '', but it is insignificant in renovating what is lost 
so it's absolutely essential for indians to pick up exactly what is lost, ....that is tapasya ....and automatically india will rise to its pristine glory. 
if not we are bound to be in endless ''grope in darkness

I am able to understand that you have great grasp, my best regards to you 

1 it's not the fault of scientist if his findings were misused for destructive purposes.by some 
it's not the fault of jesus/ prophet if followers misunderstood and trekked a wrong track as a result
2 my rating of spiritual seers/ masters is based on my own ability too ''see thru''
even i find some English poets / writers too have glimpsed and expressed most valuable '' vedic truths '' in their own language and idioms and metaphors 
they stood the test of times , endured

i see both jesus and mohammed did experience that ultimate level , the light of brahman at least a glimpse of it, and they tend to be ''advaitic, '', in their expression, this state can be proved by the proper grasp of their utterances 

we need not agree , rather we cannot agree fully due to inevitability of our individual perspectives , thank you

Pranams to jesus with all respect , he uttered truths fantastic, i love 

but misunderstanding abounds

'' the blood of jesus washes every sin '' 
not the red corpuscular blood , but the true meaning is '' knowledge is the greatest purifier , it tallies with vedic, ''gyanaagni ''

where is the lucuna
not with jesus, but in understanding jesus by followers

Ultimately , it is the receiver to digest and make use of the goods received, in what ever best package they are supplied.

if the goods do not serve , only package though very nice, will not help 

as long as one maintains ''exclusive'' posture, one is himself the loser, 
and it is difficult to make them open up to '' all inclusive'' infinite possibilities.
and time only will rectify this situation , not possible by human effort

the problem arises when one tries to apply a truth of only one level to every situation .

one seer says '' aham brahmasmi'' as a result of his tapasya , and lives a life of pure love towards all

but will not insist that every one must live like that in as is state, since it 's just fallacious  

but the followers without reaching that state , if try  to imbibe it it leads to confusion, since that truth is not applicable in their situation, they will not be able to experience that pure love, and any amount of effort to display love will not work 
and most of the time they try to teach others what they have not themselves understood rightly .

and when that does not sell, they resort to aggressive measures even violence, branding others as non believers , and try to finish them
so one must be careful in learning the right ways and to a level of perfection that his utterances will become just truth and no less, not needing the sales effort 
that is why ''half knowledge is dangerous''

and ''half truth is a full lie''  

Jesus and christianity are different, jesus said i am the way the truth and the life'' he meant in fact aham brahmasmi '' in saying ''i am '', the universal , brahman, 
but ''i am'' was understood as '' he is '', ie as ''jesus is the way.........'' by followers and christianity , making it person specific, losing its universality 

Inevitably unavoidably each seer invariably adds a specific flavor to the same essentially ingredients ., since one is bound by localization of time, geo ,context, language, and that adds beauty , variety, novelty , richness and hence a value , makes likable by a few 

Inevitably unavoidably each seer invariably adds a specific flavor to the same essentially ingredients ., since one is bound by localization of time, geo ,context, language, and that adds beauty , variety, novelty , richness and hence a value , makes likable by a few 

Even prophet Mohammed's utterances and those of jesus christ tare to be really understood by the most sincere followers/ believers , since these great men tend to be nearing to advaitic

if the followers succeed in getting their message right, they will accept other utterances without difficulty , in fact they will be pleased to find them universal 

since understanding is inadequate it drives one to be dogmatic , in closed mind , thus losing the infinite opportunities to explore more and expand unlimitedly . what is more they end up stagnating 

similar dangers exist in cults in hinduism, like krishna, etc as their ista 
one has to realize that ista is a gate way , not a closed temple 
thank you , for a thoughtful response , i like your concern 

This my response with shankara's reference above is with reference to your statement ..... "Don't worship other God's"- This gives a sense of arrogant posture which is common to Abrahamic Traditions.''

i do not treat it as ''of arrogant posture ''
since 
when a person gets to know a thing beyond a spec of doubt, which provides him the best clue for all the mysteries of life, he/ she tends to affirm/ assert that thing and recommends that in preference to what he/ she had known . and it gives a feeling of ''arrogance, or ego , rude, impolite, intruding on the receivers ''firm'' belief system or expectation on courteous behaviour/ talk 
the knower says ''aham brahmasmi'', and also ''ayam atma brahma'' irrespective of whether these are acceptable or not or understood or not 

sanskrit is a '' vertical language '' expressions having imports ranging from grossest to the subtlest, depending on the ability of the reader and writer 

Even shankara said ''dont do'' 

in ''gabheere kaasare vishathi vijane ghoravipine 
vishale shaileshu bhramathi kusumartham jadamathi ..

his is ''shiva manasa puja.....'', 
not the elaborate ''physically doing the ritual

he also said ''dont do ''
in '' nahi nahi rakshathi dukrun karani

budha said ''do not'' follow any one, even jk too 

such '' dont do'' strictures are out of one's findings , 
which are true to oneself, 
and just sharing out of their concern for others, 
in the hope that others also will ''rise'' similarly , 
but may not suit all others , at all times 
it is the nature of nature to send out new saints, sages, 
swamies, babas, gurus, prophets, visionaries, 
of all levels as per its own design from time to time 
to guide the humans as much as possible according to their grasping abilities
this continues till every one rises to the level of supreme truth  

THE ONE which is supreme intelligence, and supreme knowledge , 

by its own will, by its own reason has become MANY , 
with many many levels of intelligence and knowledge, 
and each one of these is evolving to the lvel of supreme 
at its own pace, with its own abiliies 

and ultimately 
all these tiny many are going to bet integrated into ONE again

in the process, 
we see the display of different streams of thoughts. approaches 
religions, techniques, processes,
teachings, scriptures, strictures, 
comandments, ammendments
revisits , updates,
clarifications confusions 
revisions, fusions 
all terrific, unique , specific, 
with insights, foresights
assumptions estimates, 
faiths, beliefs, 
yet 
struggling to rise to be universal, 
useful, acceptable, respectable , 
and the process is continuous , nonstop
the cycle repeating ONE into MANY and MANY into ONE

THE ONE tree , is complete, absolutely without confusion , 
alive, growing, flourishing, expanding , infinitely,
with all its roots, trunk, branches, twigs , 
leaves , flowers, fruits, seeds, 
and then to a new sprout

but alas, 
each individual tiny parts of the tree , a leaf , a petal, a twig 
though connected with the whole, 
yet feeling its individuality, 
living its own identity, a shape, a size, a color ,
a structure, a texture 
all drawing nourishment from the tree
doing its role, drying and dropping dead, 
yet the one tree continues from ages thru ages
undying, existing eternally, 
alas, 
each part does not know that their existence too is eternally i
in the continuum of ''tree to seed, seed to tree,.....''
and 
the confusion, conflicts, misunderstanding, continue
leading to exploration, investigation, discovery, 
and final reconciliation, balance, 
harmony , peace, silence .