I am amazed to know the existence of time, space, movement, and different velocities from the upanishath statement ''That (The Self) is unmoving, one, and is faster than the mind. .......etc'' naturally , question arises , are these parameters are the same as we see perceive in the physical world as measured by physics?? or are these refer to some unseen loka, not related with physics. if it is related, then what are the ranges, like distances ,is it a few kilometers or a fem millimeters or is it millions of kilometers?? brahma loka, as mentioned, how far is it, approximately?, and how to travel to reach there? also are there various other lokas like vishnu loka, or gandharva loka which we hear in stories, and how far are they from earth loka ?if self is unmoving it must be a stable, with zero dimensions, just a point
if it is infinite field, then there must be definitely movement
also if moving with some velocity what its range, in kilometers per hour or per second?
if it is moving and becomes non moving is there a brake-system or a natural slowing down like in pendulum oscillations,
Probably all answers may be there in the write up, i may have to read and get to know , these are my immediate questions
Pranams, i may be excused if my questions are irrelevant.
Also, whether these movements are in straight line ?, only in one direction, or back and forth ie translatory motion,? and where is the start point and the end point? or is it circular or elliptical? , or sinusoidal ?, and at what frequency and what amplitude?
or is it a radial movement like rays from sun , diverging from a point or converging towards a center?
3 brahman, existence of time, space, movement, and
Kalavathi Sonti
You people are as scientists. Try ing to find out through logic and reason..... But we see it in a simple way .....except in waking state. In the other two states time space is nt there.... So it is Anithya..... Sometimes Vedantha looks very easy ??? Na Rishi?? Reply | Block user8 months ago View Shekhar Ray's Profile Shekhar Ray "time, space, movement, and different velocities .....are these parameters are the same as we see perceive in the physical world as measured by physics" - there is no 'scientific' way to measure or perceive time-space. .... what we measure is not time but time span i.e. interval between two occurrence or space between two objects ...... it is because infinity can't be measured or perceived ........... movement, and different velocities are also just different values relative to one another ........ actually ancient muni-rishis realized the theory of relativity much before Einstein, possibly in a much better way. Reply | Block user8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray The many places and time which are before us, Are drawn by illusion in the board of life in a peculiar manner, By a great savant or an expert Siddha, Who can create them as per their will, so desha kaala, time space are just maya , no reality only relativity is the reason which creates that feeling, amazed that you have refered relativity theory to scriptures, thank you Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray Beejasyanthari vankuro jagadhidham, Prang nirvikalpam puna, Mayakalpitha desa kala kalanaa, Vaichithrya chithrikrutham, Mayaveeva vijrumbhayathyapi maha, Yogeeva yah swechaya, Thasmai sri guru murthaye nama idham, Sree dakshinamurthaye. || 2 || Like the germ inside the seed is its part, But becomes different after development The many places and time which are before us, Are drawn by illusion in the board of life in a peculiar manner, By a great savant or an expert Siddha, Who can create them as per their will, Salutation to the God facing the south, Who is the greatest teacher. Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray So,can we conclude 1 there is no such a thing as time present moment is the existing reality, no past no future, 2 there is no such thing as space just vacuum emptiness is the reality valuable, remarks thank you, it reminds me on dakshna murthy stotra....... so Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Shekhar Ray's Profile Shekhar Ray in reply to Richo Akshare "So,can we conclude ......." - No, we can only conclude that the question of existence or non existence of time-space is beyond the ability of our intellect ......... interestingly our great sages & rishis affirms (and also gives some guidelines) the possibility to go beyond intellect to experience the reality of time-space. Reply | Block user8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray Http://everythingforever.com/einstein.htm Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray Quote Albert Einstein and the Fabric of Time Surprising as it may be to most non-scientists and even to some scientists, Albert Einstein concluded in his later years that the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. In 1952, in his book Relativity, in discussing Minkowski's Space World interpretation of his theory of relativity, Einstein writes: Since there exists in this four dimensional structure [space-time] no longer any sections which represent "now" objectively, the concepts of happening and becoming are indeed not completely suspended, but yet complicated. It appears therefore more natural to think of physical reality as a four dimensional existence, instead of, as hitherto, the evolution of a three dimensional existence. Einstein's belief in an undivided solid reality was clear to him, so much so that he completely rejected the separation we experience as the moment of now. He believed there is no true division between past and future, there is rather a single existence. His most descriptive testimony to this faith came when his lifelong friend Besso died. Einstein wrote a letter to Besso's family, saying that although Besso had preceded him in death it was of no consequence, "...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one." unquote Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Shekhar Ray's Profile Shekhar Ray in reply to Richo Akshare Good sharing ....... thanks Reply | Block user8 months ago View Kalavathi Sonti's Profile Kalavathi Sonti I had a wild imagination......how great it is!! If the charectors comes out of the screen and meets the outside ones!!!!.Believe me . Udayashankar group did it......!!!the dancer comes out .. And enters again in to the screen !!!....That day my joy knew no bounds !!!! Reply | Block user8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Kalavathi Sonti Ocean is the actor waves the character ocean, flat screen, becomes alive , into waves 3 dimensional, multi shapes, motions, noise, force, Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Kalavathi Sonti's Profile Kalavathi Sonti in reply to Richo Akshare Adi sari........ Neelu office .....Leda ?? Kannanna??? Reply | Block user8 months ago View Kalavathi Sonti's Profile Kalavathi Sonti Brhma loka and all you are trying to find out through science.........belongs to manifest world......The lokas forex. brahma loka belongs to another level of consciousness. like mixing events of the dreamworld with waking world incidents.!!!!!! No you cant do that. Reply | Block user8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Kalavathi Sonti By trying to understand the matters of another level of consciousness, science is evolving to reach that level, and it has succeeded to a large extent by discovering the ''unified-field'' theory , by the most advanced scientists thru meditation under the guidance of maharishi, ultimately science will rise to brahma gyan , no thing will be left unknown . Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Kalavathi Sonti's Profile Kalavathi Sonti in reply to Richo Akshare Science reaches means....... It is beyond science ???
if it is infinite field, then there must be definitely movement
also if moving with some velocity what its range, in kilometers per hour or per second?
if it is moving and becomes non moving is there a brake-system or a natural slowing down like in pendulum oscillations,
Probably all answers may be there in the write up, i may have to read and get to know , these are my immediate questions
Pranams, i may be excused if my questions are irrelevant.
Also, whether these movements are in straight line ?, only in one direction, or back and forth ie translatory motion,? and where is the start point and the end point? or is it circular or elliptical? , or sinusoidal ?, and at what frequency and what amplitude?
or is it a radial movement like rays from sun , diverging from a point or converging towards a center?
3 brahman, existence of time, space, movement, and
Kalavathi Sonti
You people are as scientists. Try ing to find out through logic and reason..... But we see it in a simple way .....except in waking state. In the other two states time space is nt there.... So it is Anithya..... Sometimes Vedantha looks very easy ??? Na Rishi?? Reply | Block user8 months ago View Shekhar Ray's Profile Shekhar Ray "time, space, movement, and different velocities .....are these parameters are the same as we see perceive in the physical world as measured by physics" - there is no 'scientific' way to measure or perceive time-space. .... what we measure is not time but time span i.e. interval between two occurrence or space between two objects ...... it is because infinity can't be measured or perceived ........... movement, and different velocities are also just different values relative to one another ........ actually ancient muni-rishis realized the theory of relativity much before Einstein, possibly in a much better way. Reply | Block user8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray The many places and time which are before us, Are drawn by illusion in the board of life in a peculiar manner, By a great savant or an expert Siddha, Who can create them as per their will, so desha kaala, time space are just maya , no reality only relativity is the reason which creates that feeling, amazed that you have refered relativity theory to scriptures, thank you Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray Beejasyanthari vankuro jagadhidham, Prang nirvikalpam puna, Mayakalpitha desa kala kalanaa, Vaichithrya chithrikrutham, Mayaveeva vijrumbhayathyapi maha, Yogeeva yah swechaya, Thasmai sri guru murthaye nama idham, Sree dakshinamurthaye. || 2 || Like the germ inside the seed is its part, But becomes different after development The many places and time which are before us, Are drawn by illusion in the board of life in a peculiar manner, By a great savant or an expert Siddha, Who can create them as per their will, Salutation to the God facing the south, Who is the greatest teacher. Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray So,can we conclude 1 there is no such a thing as time present moment is the existing reality, no past no future, 2 there is no such thing as space just vacuum emptiness is the reality valuable, remarks thank you, it reminds me on dakshna murthy stotra....... so Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Shekhar Ray's Profile Shekhar Ray in reply to Richo Akshare "So,can we conclude ......." - No, we can only conclude that the question of existence or non existence of time-space is beyond the ability of our intellect ......... interestingly our great sages & rishis affirms (and also gives some guidelines) the possibility to go beyond intellect to experience the reality of time-space. Reply | Block user8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray Http://everythingforever.com/einstein.htm Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray Quote Albert Einstein and the Fabric of Time Surprising as it may be to most non-scientists and even to some scientists, Albert Einstein concluded in his later years that the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. In 1952, in his book Relativity, in discussing Minkowski's Space World interpretation of his theory of relativity, Einstein writes: Since there exists in this four dimensional structure [space-time] no longer any sections which represent "now" objectively, the concepts of happening and becoming are indeed not completely suspended, but yet complicated. It appears therefore more natural to think of physical reality as a four dimensional existence, instead of, as hitherto, the evolution of a three dimensional existence. Einstein's belief in an undivided solid reality was clear to him, so much so that he completely rejected the separation we experience as the moment of now. He believed there is no true division between past and future, there is rather a single existence. His most descriptive testimony to this faith came when his lifelong friend Besso died. Einstein wrote a letter to Besso's family, saying that although Besso had preceded him in death it was of no consequence, "...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one." unquote Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Shekhar Ray's Profile Shekhar Ray in reply to Richo Akshare Good sharing ....... thanks Reply | Block user8 months ago View Kalavathi Sonti's Profile Kalavathi Sonti I had a wild imagination......how great it is!! If the charectors comes out of the screen and meets the outside ones!!!!.Believe me . Udayashankar group did it......!!!the dancer comes out .. And enters again in to the screen !!!....That day my joy knew no bounds !!!! Reply | Block user8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Kalavathi Sonti Ocean is the actor waves the character ocean, flat screen, becomes alive , into waves 3 dimensional, multi shapes, motions, noise, force, Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Kalavathi Sonti's Profile Kalavathi Sonti in reply to Richo Akshare Adi sari........ Neelu office .....Leda ?? Kannanna??? Reply | Block user8 months ago View Kalavathi Sonti's Profile Kalavathi Sonti Brhma loka and all you are trying to find out through science.........belongs to manifest world......The lokas forex. brahma loka belongs to another level of consciousness. like mixing events of the dreamworld with waking world incidents.!!!!!! No you cant do that. Reply | Block user8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Kalavathi Sonti By trying to understand the matters of another level of consciousness, science is evolving to reach that level, and it has succeeded to a large extent by discovering the ''unified-field'' theory , by the most advanced scientists thru meditation under the guidance of maharishi, ultimately science will rise to brahma gyan , no thing will be left unknown . Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Kalavathi Sonti's Profile Kalavathi Sonti in reply to Richo Akshare Science reaches means....... It is beyond science ???
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