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And hence, the himalayan havoc , --------since the laws of nature are wrking flawlessly, no consideration for bhakthas or chidren or old,
it is rain its water its gravitation it is flood it is devastation
when system has been defined so perfectly, none can tamper, but only learn the rules so that damage does not happen
and warnings have been ignored , by the officials, event happened, irrespective of holy or ordinary
-------------------------------
Chithrasen sang
mere to mana me bahathee hai ganga
jamunaa yahaa, kaaveree yahaa
evolved souls referred to the internal temple , all along thru the ages
ignorant followers are queueing up at temples,
waiting for hours days, to have a darshan of the great gods in the temples
------------------
Gurus and moreover Followers ---who ---believe that Without visit to Such chaar dham, Hindus don't attain moksha..------------------------are all mistaken miserably, they are ignorant , innocent, poor souls , in delusion and illusion ,
they do not know they have to take a dip in the inner gyan sathganga , the pure consciousness,
it is the inner holy sacred theerath one has to visit
adi shankara lamented just exactly as you are lamenting on the ways of the ignorant
''gabheere kaasaare vishathi vijane ......................
There is neither Good nor evil
Neither deity nor devil
Every thing , actions, reactions, responses, consequences,
All is happening as per the system
Wise sees clearly, acts rightly, lives happily
The unwise is in confusion, acts foolishly,
He suffers, makes others to suffer
Blind belief makes one to reach charghat to see god
Not knowing that the supreme basis behind the system
is the pure consciousness that very much exists within oneself
no need to go outside in search of it.
------------------------
But who is responsible for law of nature?
this is a surd,
for this there will be / there are countless answers from countless men, ------partially valid / invalid , but never will be agreed by all , nor can be understood by all uniformly and precisely
system just exists
it's working as per some laws
for questions like this who designed the system?, who created the laws?
explanation can be given , based on one's penetrating ability in the system , totally deepest fully
all sciences arts etc are working / have been working and explaining in their own way
i will not say brahma created etc
my understanding is
------------------------------
My understanding, as per most modern sciences, especially unity physics is
the pure consciousness , ''unified field'' of all the laws of nature, is the basis on which all the universe, forms ,phenomena are originated and are functioning
more on this can be seen by google '' unified field '' , i can give links after your response
what is consciusness?
consciousness is awreness
what is awareness? how this is related with universe, what is unification, how many laws exist"
these need to be known and understood thru direct experience , without it , nothing will be of real help
more questions are welcome
--------------------
''see the freedom from gurugiri and shishyagiri , all a fuss needless''
but this situation is only after getting lit----this to be understood
once graduated, the engineer need not again join first yea class to learn
once the lamp is lit, no need of match stick
but without the match stick, no light
without switch on, no electricity flows
once flow starts no need of switch
the luxuries knowledge a saint revels in cannot be just availed by the lay
he must get the guidance to save time, labor ,wrong moves
--------------------------
I made elaboration on this'' I am everything and nothing too..'' in my blog ''allegory , what how why ''''
point is
first direct flight , skipping all, intermediate stop overs, neti neti , not this not this,
and then
on the return journey, journey , every thing, every station, is significant , beautiful, valuable, has its place , iti , iti , , iam this this , i am all , i am every thing
but
without direct flight, if one stops on the way at any station, he loses every thing since he is stuck with some thing
most seekers and masters are stuck in this way, since they did not know how to ''skip'', so did not reach the destination, freedom, thru direct flight
they are stuck, their followers are stuck
but once direct flight done, man reaches his inner source of wealth, thru which he creates ,
great things , new universes, new charactrers,new episodes
see the blog ''allegory''
Allegories are not reality/
they are descriptions/ explanation about the system and its working using symboles codes icons characters as gods
there is no kishn as such or ram as such
these are creations of rishis who has accessed deeepest levels within themselves
what exists is a system that is well defined perfectly working , gods , there names forms attributes are not to be taken at literary value
-------------------------
Having known that '' i am consciousness, i am not this, not this, not gods, not rituals'' etc
he also flows in superlative praise of gods too
shivanandalahari saundarya lahari, and other are best works , and he did the precise rituals on mothers death particularly
why
he knows ----------the planes earthly and non earthly , and the rules are different in each plane
rule of para is not applicable for apara
when he knows he is beyond, punya and papa, virtue and vice, it does not mean he can cheat murder and go free
no
he necessarily knows it is crime, and he will be punished
enlightenment liberates, but does not give licence , nor immunity from the laws of the land
since he planes are different
-----------------------------
I will not be reading any thing extensively , not much of gita, veda, upakhyana, purana, pravachana, not even the blogs a to z , i just quick scroll, and skip 99 %
i can grasp the theme and depth of the writers with slightest samples , for me not necessary, since i get all from within ,
how
it is due to that more than one glimpse of the experience of consciousness
i just answer directly , authentically, without needing others certification, but my explanations are validated by scriptures, me not prior reading them-------no claims, but it is a fact of life, all since, guru lit the lamp , in an instant , and he left
i do not reveal who my guru, not propagate his name and mahima , guru does not need
the lamp that is lit guides me, not guru
hence i enjoy limitless freedom, i can understand shankara without reading his works
------------------
but shankara also said i am every thing
To understand how a unit works, it is only necessary to get familiar with the system manual of the unit , not necessary to talk to employess , executives, not necessary to look at the buildings and machinery , the conveyor belts and all
since system manual is the basis on which unit works
intelligent ceo just glances at it once , and starts owning the understanding oftotality of unit
unit=people, building, processes, equipment, and all + system manual
without the manual, one does not know interrelation of every one, every thing
fails to know who reports to whom , left with 1000 questions, all confusion---------------------
---------------------
... I am everything and nothing too..''----------------this was answered too long back as apara and para
totality-=everything + nothing
=apara+para
=manifest universe+unmanifest consciousness
but the point is
the ''nothing'' is the basis for ''evey thing'',
ie consciousness, the unified field, is the undeer lying basis for the whole manifest visible universe, once the experience of consciousness is gained, once the para is experienced, ie once one knows what para is----------immediately one gains the grasp of everything , he comes to know that
totality-=everything + nothing
not untill that
so
without the experience of consciousness, what ever one does, what ever one reads, ---all will be inadequate, will not help, so will be a useless exercise, life goes waste
and once this experience gains, one no more need to do any thing
once ocean is owned, no need of searching water in the pots, wells, streams, rivers
and shankara did gain the luxury of that experience and so revels in rejecting small little pursuits------------------
-------------------------
Read again slowly fully,
I did not glorify avathar
human creates an image, the best possible, and tries to reach that ideal,
it’s a target set to himself to create an ideal and strive to rise to that ideal
he is not content with two hands
like to have 4 hands, so creates a chathurbhuja
likes to go in space freely , so creates pushpak viman
likes to kill the evil, so creates chakrapani
likes to earn knowledge, so creates a saraswathi
all gods are man’s creations
each man creates his god
he creates in terms of himself , or his surroundings , or imagination
-----------------
Scriptures epics episodes are allegories metaphors, symbolic, icons, easy stories , just to drive the message of how the universe is working , how one to live wisely
they are not to be taken at literal meaning
like actor is defferent from the character, the allegory is different from truth that it it portrays
all gods shiva, ram , kishn, are creations of the seers to communicate universal truths thru the generations
in reality there is no kishan with flute with go gopicas, with chakra , kireet etc
all these are incidental aids for communication
see more on the reality of kishan and how man creates his god in this my blog
''kasthuri tilakam ...........
--------------------------
This understanding dawned on me, decades ago, soon after i got a first experience of unmanifest pure awareness, without reading any big books
and i am never in illusion on all these beliefs faiths rituals temples gods and all the spiritual teachings ,
that is why a stress on the direct experience at least once, at least for a few moments for the entire life
------------------------
To understand god and his ways is not at all big deal, it is as simple as learning abcd
I am not evading
but truth of spirituality is that ,one will get to know -----all ---------thru direct experience from within .
any explaining to others on such of these will only lead to further endless queries, futile debate
for productive debate towards understanding to happen, the most essential fundamental requirement is the direct experience
so guru will not explain every thing,
but gives that light of experience, that happens instantly, and the job is done , and thru that one comes to know what all needs to be known totally, clearly, comprehensively, authentically
and to get this experience is simplest, a matter of a few hours, just abcd
--------------------
Gravity is one law
there are other laws, like'' fire burns''
fire will burn, not only wood , cloth, but also innocent child , and sincere factory worker , if in the vicinity
it's the wisdom that saves
it's the ultimate wisdom that provides the grasp on natures laws fully , and cautions to take appropriate preventive actions before the events happen
blind belief no help
hope , faith will not work , no god will save, even if 1000 coconuts are broken
knowing the truth matters most
Every thing is a physical phenomina including the holy places, rivers and statues and temples
happenning as per nature's laws
inability to predict and no preventive action is due to ignorance and irresponsiblity of the concerned
to day at bombay one more building collapsed, no god comes and holds a hill on little finger
the officials are busy in earning money rightly and wrongly
better those who can, must extend help
What i see is just the gravitation, water flowing down as per gravity , buildings are falling down , mountains are sliding down, vehicles are toppling down,
gravitation is one of the law of nature, like apple falling down , newton or no newton,
hurt , damage, no consideration, just one rule ''things fall''
god, holiness, sin, virtue, are human creation , not relevant for ant or elephant
--------------------
Shiva is not that innocent inert, stone statue
shiva is a principle of nature
when corpse is rotting, you may see the principle
when scrap getting removed, when cars becoming worn out and disposed you can see the principle
when new models getting invented you can see the principle of creation---------------------
----------------------
Famines, earth quakes, jungle fires, accidents, crime, s diseases, suffering, ---------list is endless
every phenomenon is happening as per the system of the universe, as per the constitution of the universe
in the universe, there is no any consideration, no love , no hate, no nepotism, favoritism, no irregularities, no violation of rules of the system , natural law taking its own course
get to know the natural law, then no questions will remain, no oddities will be seen, no more mysteries no enigmas
you will be in the evenness of vision , and you will declare ''all is well nicely placed''---------------------------
------------------------
A true great guru helps shishya to open himself to absorb updates
that are ever happening in every field,
each saint each, teacher, each thinker, each seer has some thing valuable to give
if shishya is stuck up with one guru, with only his way of thinking,
though may be of great value, it makes the mind of shishya to close doors
for other gurus and other teachings,
he has no way to be with the ever expanding wisdom
and even is likely to reject , even without seeing what it is
guru has'' brainwashed'' shishya to that extent ,
that he will be just parroting the message of guru life long , innocently ,
and missing the totality of knowledge for which he has the birth right
it's definitely a great damage guru causes, though with or without intentions or knowledge
so one must access as many sources of wisdom as is feasible and necessary , and move forward to the field of total freedom , total knowledge, total power
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Sir, i totally agree with your very profound views, it's a very great alert , both to guru and shishya
shishya should never become '' a caged parrot '' ,
though the cage may be of gold with food and comfort.
guru is to liberate, not to bind ,
guru is not for to guide life long ,
not for riding piggy back to heaven ,
nor a crutch , nor a chain to tie with,
guru is like a match stick,
he lights, the stick goes, light remains , guides, life long
shishya not to read , listen and learn every word what guru says
not to popularize his great wisdom
but shishya to simply do that sadhana which guru did and taught
and rise himself to that level, and surpass too,
and to grow as an independent huge tree ,
not to be a pygmy plant under the shade of guru
to be able to excel and update the wisdom taught by guru,
there by guru feels fulfilled and starts learning from shishya
in the way '' vrudha shishya, guror yuva''
the aged learning from the young
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You have to reach at the real lying at the deep labyrinths , to know its ways
at the depth it is the unchanging silent ocean, --------it is simply natural laws defining the functioning of system
at the surface it is the ever changing tumultuous waves, -----it is the working of the system as per the natural laws,
it's all cause and effect irrespective of the human perception on what is good what is bad, what is beautiful what is remorseful
zoom out your sight, you will see earth as just a tennis ball, a speck, a dot
zoom in , you will see expansive land, oceans, forms, phenomena, forces, happenings
it's the level of seeing that matters, not the matter that exists
so
to get at the true, total ,comprehensive grasp raise the level of your seeing
----------------
Seen your replies
i may have to reemphasize on the absolute need of the direct experience of the unmanifest , which alone can help to reconcile every quiz
without that there will be no end for debate, no answers for all the queries
-------------------
The tradition of guru shishya is to pass on this most secrete knowledge ''raja guhya'' to help in evolution
-------------------
Since i have the direct experience, all this is just a childs play, i can didest all new and ancient without any conflict
nothing more is required for me
if i read , it is just for fun
'do u also posses any quality?''
I prefer not to be humble , i say ''yes yes yes''
i am displaying my expanded personality , vishvaroop , in several of my activities, including writing
--------
This incident and such other accidents in pilgrimages are eye openers , one must check what his track is, and correct himself
krishna is not in photo
shiva is not in statue
god is not in temples
and i am no atheist
--------------------
Guru is flow of consciousness, gyan ganga, it is a tradition, a system, it is not individual
this to be understood
individuals are incidental
----------------------
Vital's pandaripur is my birthplace,
vital , rukmai are my father and mother
the devotees are my kith and kin
the river chandrabhaga is my sister
recluses , mostly they moved with one and all open hearted
they did not bother on remaining aloof unreachable,
budha too , jayadev, chaithanya, thiruvalluvar, avvayyar, akkamahadevi all were with the society
these may be brought to his notice
i am not very particular on his seclusion,
but a wrong grasp on the reality causes perversion in normal behavior, which to be avoided
i suspect there is some where some inadequacy
hence i show all this concern as a st soul , only to help him
if my point is not heeded it's perfectly ok for me
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Since you are permitting me to be free and frank, i am saying a truth
one needs essentially the authentic spiritual experience of unmanifest
brahm
without gaining this experience clearly, unmistakably, authentically, directly, --at least once --in a life time,--- at least for a fraction of second ---, the manifest aspect of brahm cannot be known truly, comprehensively, correctly, fully
no surprise, this truth cannot be understood and so will not be accepted, by you and by master but i find this experience is lacking with both of you
if this experience is gained, then the effect will be
instantaneous syncing of all approaches all religions,all gods all avathars, all saints, all epics, all scriptures , all arts, all sciences,
will happen , leaving one with the best understanding of all in infinite perspective
then
you will find no need To merge all religion ,
you will not be saying ''. No Krishna,no Muhammad, no buddha, no mahavir, No govind, no Jesus.''..
but you only worship brahm..in all of them
you will appreciate all humans still worshiping their avatars and prophets,
and tthere will be no need for , All avatars and prophets to be put in one shrine showing
them hugging each other
if you become angry with my saying this , i cannot help
i am sticking to truth , with the best intention to help you both
kindly send this message to master and if possible get a response
but you are free to ignore as you like
----------------------
For the lucky one, It just occurs to him
---- through
---guru grace
----a deep-insight
----or a divine-spark
----or a rare-revelation
----that induce him to jump in to action
that makes a man live and die for a cause,
as if that is the sole objective of his living,
the meaning and purpose of his life,
through which only he feels a validation of his very own Being-------------------
----------------------
I am not comparing with ''commercial'', it is my independent genuine assessment , and practical suggestion for moving forward .
i am not disappointed if it is not acted up on , but i keep my efforts undaunted . giving only i can do , how it is received is not in my hands
it's guru grace
------------------------
See how the recluse adi shankaa lived a open unbounded universal life, travelling and debating with out any reservation,
Mata cha Parvati Devi,
Pita Devo Maheswarah
Baandava Shiva Bhaktyascha,
Svadeso Bhuvanatrayam
Mother is shakti,
father is shiva,
relatives are the devotees of shiva
and all the three worlds is my land
------------------------
On master, i read all the good praise from the esteemed st souls
and i also note the best of appreciation from the great highly placed honorable intellectuals and officials
with all the due respect and best regard to his present unique,
independent, new, uncompromising penetrating and expressive ability,
i find that , he still needs to go a little more further,
to get at the totality into his grip,
where in he will not be subjected to any more enigmas , mysteries,
on this subject of god/ brahmand ,
but gets established in a state of ''no more questions , but with all answers''
i wish he joins st, and discuss directly with me, to mutual enrichment .
but this may not happen due to his own reason
i wish , at least ,he reads my replies at his own sweet convenient time,
no problem if he ignores
-----------------
Life of a recluse..-----------is not physical isolation, nor a frog in the well, nor living in own shell
this is another misconception of even greatest wisest people
a recluse life s open living , open to every one in the universe , travels, interacts without any reservations , just free, simple , seeing god in every one ,
-------------------------
''Only readers who hungers for updated-n-novel wisdoms are invited on this blog''
but i am no more hungry,
since i have the access for best, latest, ever updating, -n-novel wisdoms that are blossoming abundantly within me, moment to moment
so i love to participate and share my findings
With all the adversities of environment, the species , animals, trees, continue to survive and flourish , so human too, and hence nation too
And hence, the himalayan havoc , --------since the laws of nature are wrking flawlessly, no consideration for bhakthas or chidren or old,
it is rain its water its gravitation it is flood it is devastation
when system has been defined so perfectly, none can tamper, but only learn the rules so that damage does not happen
and warnings have been ignored , by the officials, event happened, irrespective of holy or ordinary
-------------------------------
Chithrasen sang
mere to mana me bahathee hai ganga
jamunaa yahaa, kaaveree yahaa
evolved souls referred to the internal temple , all along thru the ages
ignorant followers are queueing up at temples,
waiting for hours days, to have a darshan of the great gods in the temples
------------------
Gurus and moreover Followers ---who ---believe that Without visit to Such chaar dham, Hindus don't attain moksha..------------------------are all mistaken miserably, they are ignorant , innocent, poor souls , in delusion and illusion ,
they do not know they have to take a dip in the inner gyan sathganga , the pure consciousness,
it is the inner holy sacred theerath one has to visit
adi shankara lamented just exactly as you are lamenting on the ways of the ignorant
''gabheere kaasaare vishathi vijane ......................
There is neither Good nor evil
Neither deity nor devil
Every thing , actions, reactions, responses, consequences,
All is happening as per the system
Wise sees clearly, acts rightly, lives happily
The unwise is in confusion, acts foolishly,
He suffers, makes others to suffer
Blind belief makes one to reach charghat to see god
Not knowing that the supreme basis behind the system
is the pure consciousness that very much exists within oneself
no need to go outside in search of it.
------------------------
But who is responsible for law of nature?
this is a surd,
for this there will be / there are countless answers from countless men, ------partially valid / invalid , but never will be agreed by all , nor can be understood by all uniformly and precisely
system just exists
it's working as per some laws
for questions like this who designed the system?, who created the laws?
explanation can be given , based on one's penetrating ability in the system , totally deepest fully
all sciences arts etc are working / have been working and explaining in their own way
i will not say brahma created etc
my understanding is
------------------------------
My understanding, as per most modern sciences, especially unity physics is
the pure consciousness , ''unified field'' of all the laws of nature, is the basis on which all the universe, forms ,phenomena are originated and are functioning
more on this can be seen by google '' unified field '' , i can give links after your response
what is consciusness?
consciousness is awreness
what is awareness? how this is related with universe, what is unification, how many laws exist"
these need to be known and understood thru direct experience , without it , nothing will be of real help
more questions are welcome
--------------------
''see the freedom from gurugiri and shishyagiri , all a fuss needless''
but this situation is only after getting lit----this to be understood
once graduated, the engineer need not again join first yea class to learn
once the lamp is lit, no need of match stick
but without the match stick, no light
without switch on, no electricity flows
once flow starts no need of switch
the luxuries knowledge a saint revels in cannot be just availed by the lay
he must get the guidance to save time, labor ,wrong moves
--------------------------
I made elaboration on this'' I am everything and nothing too..'' in my blog ''allegory , what how why ''''
point is
first direct flight , skipping all, intermediate stop overs, neti neti , not this not this,
and then
on the return journey, journey , every thing, every station, is significant , beautiful, valuable, has its place , iti , iti , , iam this this , i am all , i am every thing
but
without direct flight, if one stops on the way at any station, he loses every thing since he is stuck with some thing
most seekers and masters are stuck in this way, since they did not know how to ''skip'', so did not reach the destination, freedom, thru direct flight
they are stuck, their followers are stuck
but once direct flight done, man reaches his inner source of wealth, thru which he creates ,
great things , new universes, new charactrers,new episodes
see the blog ''allegory''
Allegories are not reality/
they are descriptions/ explanation about the system and its working using symboles codes icons characters as gods
there is no kishn as such or ram as such
these are creations of rishis who has accessed deeepest levels within themselves
what exists is a system that is well defined perfectly working , gods , there names forms attributes are not to be taken at literary value
-------------------------
Having known that '' i am consciousness, i am not this, not this, not gods, not rituals'' etc
he also flows in superlative praise of gods too
shivanandalahari saundarya lahari, and other are best works , and he did the precise rituals on mothers death particularly
why
he knows ----------the planes earthly and non earthly , and the rules are different in each plane
rule of para is not applicable for apara
when he knows he is beyond, punya and papa, virtue and vice, it does not mean he can cheat murder and go free
no
he necessarily knows it is crime, and he will be punished
enlightenment liberates, but does not give licence , nor immunity from the laws of the land
since he planes are different
-----------------------------
I will not be reading any thing extensively , not much of gita, veda, upakhyana, purana, pravachana, not even the blogs a to z , i just quick scroll, and skip 99 %
i can grasp the theme and depth of the writers with slightest samples , for me not necessary, since i get all from within ,
how
it is due to that more than one glimpse of the experience of consciousness
i just answer directly , authentically, without needing others certification, but my explanations are validated by scriptures, me not prior reading them-------no claims, but it is a fact of life, all since, guru lit the lamp , in an instant , and he left
i do not reveal who my guru, not propagate his name and mahima , guru does not need
the lamp that is lit guides me, not guru
hence i enjoy limitless freedom, i can understand shankara without reading his works
------------------
but shankara also said i am every thing
To understand how a unit works, it is only necessary to get familiar with the system manual of the unit , not necessary to talk to employess , executives, not necessary to look at the buildings and machinery , the conveyor belts and all
since system manual is the basis on which unit works
intelligent ceo just glances at it once , and starts owning the understanding oftotality of unit
unit=people, building, processes, equipment, and all + system manual
without the manual, one does not know interrelation of every one, every thing
fails to know who reports to whom , left with 1000 questions, all confusion---------------------
---------------------
... I am everything and nothing too..''----------------this was answered too long back as apara and para
totality-=everything + nothing
=apara+para
=manifest universe+unmanifest consciousness
but the point is
the ''nothing'' is the basis for ''evey thing'',
ie consciousness, the unified field, is the undeer lying basis for the whole manifest visible universe, once the experience of consciousness is gained, once the para is experienced, ie once one knows what para is----------immediately one gains the grasp of everything , he comes to know that
totality-=everything + nothing
not untill that
so
without the experience of consciousness, what ever one does, what ever one reads, ---all will be inadequate, will not help, so will be a useless exercise, life goes waste
and once this experience gains, one no more need to do any thing
once ocean is owned, no need of searching water in the pots, wells, streams, rivers
and shankara did gain the luxury of that experience and so revels in rejecting small little pursuits------------------
-------------------------
Read again slowly fully,
I did not glorify avathar
human creates an image, the best possible, and tries to reach that ideal,
it’s a target set to himself to create an ideal and strive to rise to that ideal
he is not content with two hands
like to have 4 hands, so creates a chathurbhuja
likes to go in space freely , so creates pushpak viman
likes to kill the evil, so creates chakrapani
likes to earn knowledge, so creates a saraswathi
all gods are man’s creations
each man creates his god
he creates in terms of himself , or his surroundings , or imagination
-----------------
Scriptures epics episodes are allegories metaphors, symbolic, icons, easy stories , just to drive the message of how the universe is working , how one to live wisely
they are not to be taken at literal meaning
like actor is defferent from the character, the allegory is different from truth that it it portrays
all gods shiva, ram , kishn, are creations of the seers to communicate universal truths thru the generations
in reality there is no kishan with flute with go gopicas, with chakra , kireet etc
all these are incidental aids for communication
see more on the reality of kishan and how man creates his god in this my blog
''kasthuri tilakam ...........
--------------------------
This understanding dawned on me, decades ago, soon after i got a first experience of unmanifest pure awareness, without reading any big books
and i am never in illusion on all these beliefs faiths rituals temples gods and all the spiritual teachings ,
that is why a stress on the direct experience at least once, at least for a few moments for the entire life
------------------------
To understand god and his ways is not at all big deal, it is as simple as learning abcd
I am not evading
but truth of spirituality is that ,one will get to know -----all ---------thru direct experience from within .
any explaining to others on such of these will only lead to further endless queries, futile debate
for productive debate towards understanding to happen, the most essential fundamental requirement is the direct experience
so guru will not explain every thing,
but gives that light of experience, that happens instantly, and the job is done , and thru that one comes to know what all needs to be known totally, clearly, comprehensively, authentically
and to get this experience is simplest, a matter of a few hours, just abcd
--------------------
Gravity is one law
there are other laws, like'' fire burns''
fire will burn, not only wood , cloth, but also innocent child , and sincere factory worker , if in the vicinity
it's the wisdom that saves
it's the ultimate wisdom that provides the grasp on natures laws fully , and cautions to take appropriate preventive actions before the events happen
blind belief no help
hope , faith will not work , no god will save, even if 1000 coconuts are broken
knowing the truth matters most
Every thing is a physical phenomina including the holy places, rivers and statues and temples
happenning as per nature's laws
inability to predict and no preventive action is due to ignorance and irresponsiblity of the concerned
to day at bombay one more building collapsed, no god comes and holds a hill on little finger
the officials are busy in earning money rightly and wrongly
better those who can, must extend help
What i see is just the gravitation, water flowing down as per gravity , buildings are falling down , mountains are sliding down, vehicles are toppling down,
gravitation is one of the law of nature, like apple falling down , newton or no newton,
hurt , damage, no consideration, just one rule ''things fall''
god, holiness, sin, virtue, are human creation , not relevant for ant or elephant
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Shiva is not that innocent inert, stone statue
shiva is a principle of nature
when corpse is rotting, you may see the principle
when scrap getting removed, when cars becoming worn out and disposed you can see the principle
when new models getting invented you can see the principle of creation---------------------
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Famines, earth quakes, jungle fires, accidents, crime, s diseases, suffering, ---------list is endless
every phenomenon is happening as per the system of the universe, as per the constitution of the universe
in the universe, there is no any consideration, no love , no hate, no nepotism, favoritism, no irregularities, no violation of rules of the system , natural law taking its own course
get to know the natural law, then no questions will remain, no oddities will be seen, no more mysteries no enigmas
you will be in the evenness of vision , and you will declare ''all is well nicely placed''---------------------------
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A true great guru helps shishya to open himself to absorb updates
that are ever happening in every field,
each saint each, teacher, each thinker, each seer has some thing valuable to give
if shishya is stuck up with one guru, with only his way of thinking,
though may be of great value, it makes the mind of shishya to close doors
for other gurus and other teachings,
he has no way to be with the ever expanding wisdom
and even is likely to reject , even without seeing what it is
guru has'' brainwashed'' shishya to that extent ,
that he will be just parroting the message of guru life long , innocently ,
and missing the totality of knowledge for which he has the birth right
it's definitely a great damage guru causes, though with or without intentions or knowledge
so one must access as many sources of wisdom as is feasible and necessary , and move forward to the field of total freedom , total knowledge, total power
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Sir, i totally agree with your very profound views, it's a very great alert , both to guru and shishya
shishya should never become '' a caged parrot '' ,
though the cage may be of gold with food and comfort.
guru is to liberate, not to bind ,
guru is not for to guide life long ,
not for riding piggy back to heaven ,
nor a crutch , nor a chain to tie with,
guru is like a match stick,
he lights, the stick goes, light remains , guides, life long
shishya not to read , listen and learn every word what guru says
not to popularize his great wisdom
but shishya to simply do that sadhana which guru did and taught
and rise himself to that level, and surpass too,
and to grow as an independent huge tree ,
not to be a pygmy plant under the shade of guru
to be able to excel and update the wisdom taught by guru,
there by guru feels fulfilled and starts learning from shishya
in the way '' vrudha shishya, guror yuva''
the aged learning from the young
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You have to reach at the real lying at the deep labyrinths , to know its ways
at the depth it is the unchanging silent ocean, --------it is simply natural laws defining the functioning of system
at the surface it is the ever changing tumultuous waves, -----it is the working of the system as per the natural laws,
it's all cause and effect irrespective of the human perception on what is good what is bad, what is beautiful what is remorseful
zoom out your sight, you will see earth as just a tennis ball, a speck, a dot
zoom in , you will see expansive land, oceans, forms, phenomena, forces, happenings
it's the level of seeing that matters, not the matter that exists
so
to get at the true, total ,comprehensive grasp raise the level of your seeing
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Seen your replies
i may have to reemphasize on the absolute need of the direct experience of the unmanifest , which alone can help to reconcile every quiz
without that there will be no end for debate, no answers for all the queries
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The tradition of guru shishya is to pass on this most secrete knowledge ''raja guhya'' to help in evolution
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Since i have the direct experience, all this is just a childs play, i can didest all new and ancient without any conflict
nothing more is required for me
if i read , it is just for fun
'do u also posses any quality?''
I prefer not to be humble , i say ''yes yes yes''
i am displaying my expanded personality , vishvaroop , in several of my activities, including writing
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This incident and such other accidents in pilgrimages are eye openers , one must check what his track is, and correct himself
krishna is not in photo
shiva is not in statue
god is not in temples
and i am no atheist
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Guru is flow of consciousness, gyan ganga, it is a tradition, a system, it is not individual
this to be understood
individuals are incidental
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Vital's pandaripur is my birthplace,
vital , rukmai are my father and mother
the devotees are my kith and kin
the river chandrabhaga is my sister
recluses , mostly they moved with one and all open hearted
they did not bother on remaining aloof unreachable,
budha too , jayadev, chaithanya, thiruvalluvar, avvayyar, akkamahadevi all were with the society
these may be brought to his notice
i am not very particular on his seclusion,
but a wrong grasp on the reality causes perversion in normal behavior, which to be avoided
i suspect there is some where some inadequacy
hence i show all this concern as a st soul , only to help him
if my point is not heeded it's perfectly ok for me
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Since you are permitting me to be free and frank, i am saying a truth
one needs essentially the authentic spiritual experience of unmanifest
brahm
without gaining this experience clearly, unmistakably, authentically, directly, --at least once --in a life time,--- at least for a fraction of second ---, the manifest aspect of brahm cannot be known truly, comprehensively, correctly, fully
no surprise, this truth cannot be understood and so will not be accepted, by you and by master but i find this experience is lacking with both of you
if this experience is gained, then the effect will be
instantaneous syncing of all approaches all religions,all gods all avathars, all saints, all epics, all scriptures , all arts, all sciences,
will happen , leaving one with the best understanding of all in infinite perspective
then
you will find no need To merge all religion ,
you will not be saying ''. No Krishna,no Muhammad, no buddha, no mahavir, No govind, no Jesus.''..
but you only worship brahm..in all of them
you will appreciate all humans still worshiping their avatars and prophets,
and tthere will be no need for , All avatars and prophets to be put in one shrine showing
them hugging each other
if you become angry with my saying this , i cannot help
i am sticking to truth , with the best intention to help you both
kindly send this message to master and if possible get a response
but you are free to ignore as you like
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For the lucky one, It just occurs to him
---- through
---guru grace
----a deep-insight
----or a divine-spark
----or a rare-revelation
----that induce him to jump in to action
that makes a man live and die for a cause,
as if that is the sole objective of his living,
the meaning and purpose of his life,
through which only he feels a validation of his very own Being-------------------
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I am not comparing with ''commercial'', it is my independent genuine assessment , and practical suggestion for moving forward .
i am not disappointed if it is not acted up on , but i keep my efforts undaunted . giving only i can do , how it is received is not in my hands
it's guru grace
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See how the recluse adi shankaa lived a open unbounded universal life, travelling and debating with out any reservation,
Mata cha Parvati Devi,
Pita Devo Maheswarah
Baandava Shiva Bhaktyascha,
Svadeso Bhuvanatrayam
Mother is shakti,
father is shiva,
relatives are the devotees of shiva
and all the three worlds is my land
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On master, i read all the good praise from the esteemed st souls
and i also note the best of appreciation from the great highly placed honorable intellectuals and officials
with all the due respect and best regard to his present unique,
independent, new, uncompromising penetrating and expressive ability,
i find that , he still needs to go a little more further,
to get at the totality into his grip,
where in he will not be subjected to any more enigmas , mysteries,
on this subject of god/ brahmand ,
but gets established in a state of ''no more questions , but with all answers''
i wish he joins st, and discuss directly with me, to mutual enrichment .
but this may not happen due to his own reason
i wish , at least ,he reads my replies at his own sweet convenient time,
no problem if he ignores
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Life of a recluse..-----------is not physical isolation, nor a frog in the well, nor living in own shell
this is another misconception of even greatest wisest people
a recluse life s open living , open to every one in the universe , travels, interacts without any reservations , just free, simple , seeing god in every one ,
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