all traditionalists also must be exposed to logic maths science etc, to update them and to gain the ability to update modern thinking

You say you cannot explain any more on certain points. Possibly you mean, you rely on what you 'feel good'. But you cannot reason it out.  true,

1   i am testing my ability to answer ,inferring  my progress if any, resisting the temptation to refer books and authorities. so i end up reaching my limits 

2  subject has also limitation to intellectual treatment

My mind too tells that: the only standard we 'creatures' can rely on is, perhaps, “what we feel good”.

i said  approximately yes, appearances are deceptive, hence inferences can be too.

here my concept of rishi parishath[knowledge sharing] come relevant .in brief, no rishi can perceive reality totally, each rishi perceives an aspect of reality .

to know total ,each has to share their perceptions and receive others'

so one's perceptions even ****ut themselves can be wrong some times, i can not see by back

By continuous meditation we can refine ourselves to realize, without bias (ego?) as far as possible what we really feel.

very right. all perceptions become refined to give a closer to real picture

(Complete avoidance of ego of 'creatures' is possible with the annihilation /death/ of the 'creature')

ego to be understood right

ego is an aspect of personality , it expands, engulfs all, grows into ''aham brahmasmi''

if ego is killed, man is killed.

''human ego is the fountain head of progress'' ayn rand in her book ''the fountain head''

And that (refining oneself till there is a feeling that end of possible refinement has reached) to me is realization.

you may assume it as true, but realization is much more, far more than that feeling, i know you are referring that feeling in high regard. yet, i have to differ, stating again it is still approximate, realization is a matter at the level of  being, not at feeling level

Far from the traditional or the conventional realization....May be petty.

i object your word petty, your thinking has its own logic to convince you, you trying to figure it out to your ultimate capacity--remarkable​! i only say continue the investigation.

But, I am trying to aim at something practicable for a mortal man of 21st century.

21c men , some, ''meditate a few minutes and mind their business'' easiest and essential

need not change any thing, nor go back in times

I would rather like to go after the poetry you suggest.

i glanced at your writings, they are more poetic than prose, and i read your poetry sample also, definitely you are a poet, [no praise]

continue to flow, it is a good intellectual some times spiritual saadhana

But then, won't poetry too evolve?

very power****l question this.

i want to flow on this

i wrote,''by falling in to the stream of consciousness, a straw gained value infinite''

all  experiences, observations, memories, quotes, all good bad useless, are all the raw materials, for poet to construct a poem ,

his mind a slate clean

his imagination the pen

let the dictionary flow

let the alphabets glow

wait not f****morrow

in the dark shoot an arrow

poetry is

as deep the rishi is

when rishi is rooted in the field of infinite creativity,

his every utterance is a poetry.

an innovation and novelty

Tomorrow's MAY contain something better than yesterday's.

universe evolves every moment

you are a new man born just at this moment

to create  de novo you are meant

points of left out.

the food you serve has taste

the last morsel, the last grain no waste

we will continue, no haste

 yagna..life process

1 ‘’if souls are ajanma....then where they come from? How can something ajanma and has to go thru this merry go round janma after janma to get rid of agnana and arishad vargas of jeevathma?’’’’

….. life process is a process of yagna ,

soul is s fire in the homa kundam ,

prani's body is homa kundam 

fuel is food intake..

digestion is like burning

homam is the process of evolution from lower state to higher state

iron , calcium are inert

but when body consumes they become blood and bones, ie life substances

once the body’s capability reduces, it dies , but jeeva flame continues, it goes into new body

this is how life, death, life, death  cycle continues

sloka ‘’aham annam…..’’  ie I am food , when food is taken by me, the food becomes me … hence prani takes food , not once, but life long   

 , all lower bodies  gradually, by repeated rebirth ultimately become the fire that is soul ..hence births and deaths happen for bodies.. I quote ‘’Mahayagnam is one in which 'aham' buddhy is sacrified in chitagni - jeevatma merging with chit sakthy’’.

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save time save trouble save life simplest

 scorpions and snakes, 

lions, tigers, crocodiles, jackals 

harmful bacteria, virus 

--all part of nature's creation, 

along with elephants, cows, goats, parrots, 

butterflies and roses each has a role of its own 

so also a wide range of models exist in the human beings, greatest, to the worst, being  products of the same nature.

wise man will be careful not to be a prey to the bad, 

knowing that a snake bites, 

but he cannot eliminate the specie by killing one or two .

 however nature has made some to vanish  

and evolved some others by its own mechanism.

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’who you are I am not sure. My guess: one who keeps Mahesh Yogi and ancient Indian wisdom high.’.. Alpha

you are right, thru tm i gained high ancient Indian wisdom in simplest way., not claiming my any thing, but tm has clarified a lot.

When I present my questions, it is not to glorify my view **** belittle yours. Only a kind of search; that is all.

most fair, we are one, sharing refines.

sear_c_h_ is valuable, ''knock, it shall be opened to you''

“...a child more than 6...” That “six”, possibly means one with “some” experience.

any one who can think, can meditate, nothing more required, even child

The implication may be: Meditation depends on previous experience.(that is why I included in my doubt, “what ****ut animals who don't have some of the 'abilities' of man. Admitted, they too have experience)

animals do not have ability to manipulate thought,whi_c_h- -is a subtle thing,  their mind works on gross plane

O****y conclude, meditation is ON some previously acquired 'knowledge'. That may mean, meditation 'refines' our earlier 'knowledge'.

the light of transcendent illumines the field of knowledge{earlier acquired}, which mostly exists in ,patches, [ being not f_u_ll]  and bridges the gaps, makes it whole, you may say refines

Am I far from what you want me to understand?

you are almost there but an inch of distance still to be covered

Again, you say “...deepest and beyond”. That, to my mind means, beyond “thought” to some other area.

yes, to the area from where thought sprouts pri_o_r  _t_o_ manifesting and becomes perceivable

For in the depth of thought there couldn't be, logically, anything beyond “deepest”.

totally righ_t_  _i_t_  is nothingness, a vacuum, vast, infinite

Possibly, you may be hinting at something beyond "senses”.

senses are gross tools of mind they have their role , as usual

If so I am sceptical.

in thinking process, mind is active , senses not involved .man is much more than senses, mind playing much more role,, a superior state, whi**** a desirable one, not deserving to be sceptical

For senses appear to me, the only means of knowledge possible for man.

definitely, but what is perceived is not total, but partial. to make it _f_u_ll, mind has to process much more and digest .there is ''more than meets the eye''

intellectual analysis/logic are in adequate, being the activities on the surface of mind, having thus limitation to fathom the depths, hence the need for direct experience, and hence the need of traditions.

  with regular practice, this transient/momentary glimpse of the heightened awareness, the primary school learning , matures to second stage into raising to high school, the awareness getting perceived even after coming out of meditation, a few seconds, then a few minutes, to a few hours--awareness persisting amidst activity , as if mind is in meditation, while activity is being done --state of yogastha kuru karmani--and gradually it stabilizes to that extent as to be aware in  sleep and dream, you are aware yet you are sleeping, and you are watching that you are in deep sleep or you are watching that you are dreaming.

the day will be at ease, enjoying the best of body mind coordination, mind perceiving cognitions, the unread scriptures becoming handy, you do not read geetha but what you perceive will be validated by geetha ,indication of blossoming of the flower of knowledge, the internal encyclopaedia opening by itself, a process of vedic teaching/learning.. all a child play, genius made cheaply available for nothing.

this is what was forgotten, we are learning and gaining the hard way, inevitable result of traditions track missed.

no more dos and don'ts he imposes to himself, all activity is done as if in the best way with precision and discretion, viveka, no mistakes the almighty guiding his every step as mother guides child.

also the physiological parameters show a different pattern confirming the level reached..joy 

   not in teaching line,

just i am plain.

[for some more time]

let's enjoy ''unknown''

lest ,may bind ''known''

yet, the teacher inside me ,

teaches me,

has been teaching me

his mouth piece, making me