There is always a gap between the teacher and learner"

"Comments like om om om, hare krishna, nice blog, thank you, keep it up, great, with/without reading the blog -----------can be of any use?"

"Media, movies must shift focus from female physiology to their infinite intellectual ,artistic, skills , capabilities , contributions, achievements in every field of life, this empowers women much more"

"Internally every being every thing is the same , consciousness, so equal , universal externally all are unique, different, unequal"

"Quote

akkamahadevi yavara pravachanagalu People,male and female,blush when a cloth covering their shamecomes looseWhen the lord of liveslives drowned without a facein the world, how can you be modest?When all the world is the eye of the lord,onlooking everywhere, what can youcover and conceal?

Her poetry exhibits her love for Chenna Mallikarjuna and harmony with nature and simple living.

She Sang

:For hunger, there is the village rice in the begging bowl,

For thirst, there are tanks and streams and wells 

for sleep temple ruins do Well for the company of the soul I have you, Chenna Mallikarjuna"

, akka mahadevi, she lived barebody , free, joyfully, safely, with chenna mallikarjuna blessing

"Hence they have all the need to cover and conceal, to run and hide into ekanth was not to get caught by hunting vigilant police"

"Namaskar jaigurudev, mine is simplest, very very briefest, to read every thing from within myself

"After dropping off the body consciousness, while alive, like the baby child i

All other costumes are costly, scarce, scanty, superfluous , waste, worst they wear, tear , burst, burn, soak, soil, no sanctity, less beauty, not plenty, less noveltywill not last, get cast"

"Not to clean nor to washnot to wet nor to drynot to press, nor to messnot to loose, nor to fuss"

Sky is the best costume, i like the mostnot needing to search, nor to select ,not to reject, nor to acceptnot to bargain nor to gainnot to buy nor to sellnot to cut nor to stitch

faith belief hope sentiment surmise assumptions are secondary , truth , facts are primary success depends on knowing facts"

"Osho is a unique personality. i liked his writings, he has a fresh view to share, a new method to discover more in life, not brought out by other great masters .i am no fan, i will not look at his personal life, it is no concern to me.my criteria is, whether i got some spiritual insights from him or noti affirm that he has helped me a lot in understanding life, and i recommend that his teachings must be widely read as a bottom line, i would suggest that, do not attribute any great powers or qualities to any great master, and do not expect him to meet your specified litmus tests, some such individuals have grown so high that , they just do not bother about the norms of the common man, nor get controlled by such expectations . they do not care whether you call him great or idiot. since they know that common man cannot understand the level from which they speak or work or lives . they just exist on a different plane , quite unusual, some may call such men a fool, a thief a wicked, a stone, a absurd, even a lunatic, greedy, debauchee very few can really receive their message and perceive their stature truly so i feel , despite what the world assesses or what the facts may be, i read his books with best relish, i do practice some methods suggested by him to my advantage , and i continue, despite what this blog reveals or conveys"

"For that, taking all possible actions , with alacrity to learn, to practice and to master , not waiting for some thing to happen, but to make it happen , on real plane , in day to day work , in every field"

"Sorrow is no penance sorrow is due to suffering suffering is due to ignorance of art and science of living science of living is knowing laws of nature [not by books, but by direct experience of the natural law within one's being art of living is to live according to laws of nature effortless spontaneous tapasya, penance , is to learn how to contact that natural law within

"Tapasya, penance, the learning can be by trial with own way or easily thru by guruif method is not known, it ends up with all kinds of discomfort to body mind , finally yielding/or not yielding result

"Tapasya of valmiki , --he knew the method, so could overcome all physical limitations , reached goal unscathed lesser souls deviced their own methods systems, techniques --all to extend the boundaries of swadhrma, to overcome physical linitations --like standing on one leg, walking on fire floating on water --all involving great discomfort --due to being not the corect techniques , thus tapasya is mis understood as sorrow , glorifying sorrow as tapasya wrongly"

"Search for truth, reaching nearer and nearer god, can never be by suffering, not a suffering, it is a path of increasing joy at every step , never it is sorrow and when we reach nearest to truth, nearest god, the joy becomes more and more intense, and at the end it turns into bliss overwhelming"

"This needs to be properly understood , to know what tapasya is / can be .if guru guidance not there, one gets in to the loop of all surmises assumptions endigng in number of unnecessary wrong moves"

"To lead others to enlightenment , one must do sufficient sadhana and get to the real high level, god awakened inside intensely so that understanding and consequent expression of truth become authentic, and hence poweful"

"If the leader lacks the true knowledge he can only promote blind following by semi ignorant .damaging the purpose for which one leads the masses .thus time is last due to half baked leadership, with no possibility of ever reaching the goal ,"

"Maharishi--------''a science is a systematic investigation by means of repeatable experiment to gain useful and testable knowledge

"The traditional definitions taught to us a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.2.systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.3.any of the branches of natural or physical science.4.systematized knowledge in general.5.knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.

In these definitions science is defined as body of knowledge , as if , it's a frozen finality , and one has to simply know it, ie mug it up and and become ''scientist''--the most injustice done to the word science if you apply to spirituality--it again says a knowledge that is already made known ---and makes yu us to face a dead end where as maharishi has made it clear as---a systematic investigation'' --meaning that thre is a lot more to go, knowing more and more, that is how science is advancing, not standing still.

Applying this to spirituality, knowing is a process, it is a seeing process, a rishi aspect, seeing deeper and deeper aspects , discovering unending laws of nature .thus opening a vast vista to boundless ocean of knowledge .so the defining science more completely, more precisely makes the journey unblocked by already known things ,

 man is free to explore morereed except that in the state of samadhi, every one experiences the same single pure consciousness attribute-less

sciences dwell on logic rationality reasoning mind, in deep, concentration on its scope., not in samadhi

 those scientist's who reach samadhi are blessed to get the true perspective of their field of inquiry"

"Unity in multiplicity is possible after maturity in sadhana it is kaivalya darshana"

"Not so simple game

not all can play this game

 not as easy as said in as is where is

 if it is so easy, world would have been a heaven without any suffering

self interest governs"

"Man does not trust man, hates the other fellow as devil, runs away and hides,

suspects that he will rob him of every thing his money ,name ,fame ,power ,popularity, growth, opportunities,cleverly repeats some convenient ''sweet'' words, and skips smartly. avoids his very looks , his presence , his advice, his opinion.he is so much afraid that he feels as if the fellow is terror , sent by saitan with evil designs and seeks the help of his sycophants or security guards to deal with him ''properly''this is a practical experience, down to earth, happening even with enlightened masters who speak and blog non stop and preach love and light and all good words"

"Every rose is the same rose, with the same beauty, fragrance, structure, smoothness but each rose is unique in its own, 

no two roses are alike see what you want to see, the ubiquitous though , one rose flower, in all roses or two unique roses, each excelling the other in every Feature there is choice to be on surface , rejoicing in seeing the infinite variety --orto be in bliss of deep samadhi, experiencing the one single unity, --andto be enjoying the best of both , in perceiving the all pervading unity in the multiplicity"

"True love soul to soul, unconditional, age gender, edu, career, attainments, money, just between being and being, any , human, animal, bird, tree hill river ocean, sun moon you are no 73, but born just now , a new child, child of god always .we children let's play , nothing matters"

"It is the concern of st, yes, send the feedback, to their kind attention thru feedback email, it is most welcome , as any feedback helps to improve , no doubt but leave it at that, let them decide what to do with all feed back from who ever feels the malpractices. and they are the best to decide what is appropriate action , at their appropriate time .better be with your best concern for your spiritual growth for which st is of greatest help do not be a bhasmasura, to test the boon giver, st, shivai do not see this issue as such a great , as to invite all the attention of all the seekers by making a blog of this it only evokes laughter the way you have taken this smallest issue as a life and death case .just think cool and gain the higher spiritual perspective , it will help you and all more than this kind of pressure building on the st management"

"And there is no form of realism greater than ---not ---accepting defeathuman spirit is truly invincible, ever winning, ever conquering new worlds, new hwavens, till the whole universe is taken in to its grip"

"

That means you are exposing st before seekers , as if a blackmail this is unfairbest is to pursue with them only, explain your issues , with love, respect, good will, not challenging .they may have genuine problems which you are not aware, or they may have other important prioritiescan you not see the greatness of st, which has enabled the participation of thousands without fee or chargeswhy to ride on them after all the benefits derived by you"

Varadhi Dhi posted a response on Kalyanaraman Srinivasa's blog OPEN REQUEST TO SPEAKING TREE

"It is the concern of st, yes, send the feedback, to their kind attention thru feedback email, it is most welcome , as any feedback helps to improve , no doubt but leave it at that, let them decide what to do with all feed back from who ever feels the malpractices. and they are the best to decide what is appropriate action , at their appropriate time .better be with your best concern for your spiritual growth for which st is of greatest help do not be a bhasmasura, to test the boon giver, st, shivai do not see this issue as such a great , as to invite all the attention of all the seekers by making a blog of this it only evokes laughter the way you have taken this smallest issue as a life and death case .just think cool and gain the higher spiritual perspective , it will help you and all more than this kind of pressure building on the st management"

Man does not trust man, hates the other fellow as devil, runs away and hides,suspects that he will rob him of every thing his money ,name ,fame ,power ,popularity, growth, opportunities,cleverly repeats some convenient ''sweet'' words, and skips smartly. avoids his very looks , his presence , his advice, his opinion.he is so much afraid that he feels as if the fellow is terror , sent by saitan with evil designsand seeks the help of his sycophants or security guards to deal with him ''properly''this is a practical experience, down to earth, happenning even with enlightened masters who speak and blog non stop and preach love and light and all good words"

"True love soul to soul, unconditional, age gender, edu, career, attainments, money, just between beingand being, any , human, animal, bird, tree hill river ocean, sun moon you are no 73, but born just now , a new child, child of god always .we children let's play , nothing matters"

in the state of samadhi, every one experiences the same single pure consciousness attribute-less  sciences dwell on logic rationality reasoning mind, in deep, concentration on its scope., not in samadhi those scientists who reach samadhi are blessed to get the true perspective of their field of inquiry"

"Not so simple gamenot all can play this game not as easy as said in as is where is if it is so easy, world would have been a heaven without any suffering self interest governs"

mine is simplest, very very briefest, to read every thing from within myself,

"Bio and non bio is data"

"Cat is brought for satsang"

"Sky is best"

"Conditions apply?"

 "Just a doubt pl , dumb are silent , is it happy"

"Vidyayā amṛtaṃ aśnute"

"Paranthu नालमेकभाषया"

For that, taking all possible actions , with alacrity to learn, to practice and to master , not waiting for some thing to happen, but to make it happen , on real plane , in day to day work , in every field"

"Mine is just to be intelligent"

"No , it's other way reaching nearer to god and oneself...makes one to love all, horse before cart  

take a rebirth, become dvija, then things will be seen best"

"Compete with yourself, yes"

"And there is no form of realism greater than ---not ---accepting defeat  human spirit is truly invincible, ever winning, ever conquering new worlds, new heavens, till the whole universe is taken in to its grip"

unbiased view , proves the true spiritual progress"

treatment may be a medical, psychiatry marvel, it's most welcome but is there solution to prevent the causes, if preventive action is taken, problems will not rise"

 is there solution to prevent the causes"

"What is karma yoga and how it is different from labour, what is the difference between yogi and labourer"

but why kal ji loses cool if some point of view is presented?for any one , yuo, me, kal ji, our purans give abundant stuff , the traditions give the way, guru lights the wisdom, life becomes a harmonious whole, never our traditional families are troubled by any such disturbances, they know what life is, what the purpose, and the art of it.better we do some good use of geetha and all .however kal ji pl continue your way , but since it is a debate, let's go happily with all differences, without being emotions bullying us in the first place"

the beautiful life style with mooring in Puranic values..."

"Message to be perceived, not necessary only voice and lang"

"It is the concern of st, yes, send the feedback, to their kind attention thru feedback email, it is most welcome , as any feedback helps to improve , no doubt but leave it at that, let them decide what to do with all feed back from who ever feels the malpractices. and they are the best to decide what is appropriate action , at their appropriate time .better be with your best concern for your spiritual growth for which st is of greatest help do not be a bhasmasura, to test the boon giver, st, shiva

i do not see this issue as such a great , as to invite all the attention of all the seekers by making a blog of this it only evokes laughter the way you have taken this smallest issue as a life and death case .just think cool and gain the higher spiritual perspective , it will help you and all more than this kind of pressure building on the st management"

"That means you are exposing st before seekers , as if a blackmail this is unfair best is to pursue with them only, explain your issues , with love, respect, good will, not challenging .they may have genuine problems which you are not aware, or they may have other important priorities can you not see the greatness of st, which has enabled the participation of thousands without fee or charges why to ride on them after all the benefits derived by you"

This is the venom spreading in st thru such kal ji's blogs and attitudes, if kal has not made this blog, it would not have roused a cool adarsh in such a direct outburst let's control the cause causing such impolite responses"

"True love soul to soul, unconditional, age gender, edu, career, attainments, money, just between being and being, any , human, animal, bird, tree hill river ocean, sun moon you are no 73, but born just now , a new child, child of god always .we children let's play , nothing matters"

"Every rose is the same rose, with the same beauty, fragrance, structure, smoothness but each rose is unique in its own, no two roses are alike see what you want to see, the ubiquitous though , one rose flower, in all roses or two unique roses, each excelling the other in every Feature there is choice to be on surface , rejoicing in seeing the infinite variety--orto be in bliss of deep samadhi, experiencing the one single unity, --andto be enjoying the best of both , in perceiving the all pervading unity in the multiplicity"

"Thank you agreed except that in the state of samadhi, every one experiences the same single pure consciousness attribute-less

sciences dwell on logic rationality reasoning mind, in deep, concentration on its scope., not in samadhi those scientist's who reach samadhi are blessed to get the true perspective of their field of inquiry"

"Man does not trust man, hates the other fellow as devil, runs away and hides,suspects that he will rob him of every thing his money ,name ,fame ,power ,popularity, growth, opportunities,cleverly repeats some convenient ''sweet'' words, and skips smartly. avoids his very looks , his presence , his advice, his opinion.he is so much afraid that he feels as if the fellow is terror , sent by saitan with evil designsand seeks the help of his sycophants or security guards to deal with him ''properly''this is a practical experience, down to earth, happenning even with enlightened masters who speak and blog non stop and preach love and light and all good words"

"Even to start , can you truly practice this a bit , in real life , let's be honest .no self deception please"

"Not so simple game not all can play this game not as easy as said in as is where is

 if it is so easy, world would have been a heaven without any suffering self interest governs"

"Unity in multiplicity is possible after maturity in sadhana it is kaivalya darshana"

"Spiritual is actual

 god is truth

 truth is Gyan

 no where it is surmise or hope"  "Hope is mirage"

they are the pioneers, guides, leaders, trendsetters, path finders, torch bearers, but are very few and far between 

however, beings all are on the path of evolution, though some are slow, some fast, some straying, some stuck, some searching, some experimenting, however , all will rise to the supreme heights, sooner or later ,

 since

universe is designed to help all, to promote all , to elevate all, in the most optimum, most appropriate , ingenious ways

success is sure to follow as the day follows the night ."

"So my fond wish is that every one must strive best to evolve to the highest level of consciousness, earliest in life , so that heaven situation can be felt in earthly existence"

"Differences and inadequacies of perceptions are due to the inevitable differences in the levels of consciousness between the giver and receiver

master will be at the peak of consciousness and expresses the best, beautifully, truthfully ,magnificently where as the seeker being at lower level will not get the full import

pandit ravisankar, sitar maestro says '' i point to the stars, but they look at my finger ''and this level difference has distorted the best essence of scriptures from time to time , leading to faulty grasp and wrong application"

"One such is Omar Khayyám:The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

they just write as per wish of supreme, and what they write just happen to be a truth "

"Prahlad was put to torture by his father"

, being the supreme's medium, jesus while being crucified was undaunted, he said '' Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.'' 

Evolved souls some times get raw deal , even thukaram was not spared by the established priests"

"Spirituality is a heart to heart communication , direct ,straight, just truth

so many saints lamented ''ye tumko samaj me na aaye to mai kya karoo,,,,,,,,''

even rigved laments '' yasthan na veda kim richa karshyathi , what can the vedic wisdom accomplish for the one who does not know the reality lying beyond ''"

"At ultimate level of vision, there is no negativity veda---''thath sannidhau vaira tyaga ''--in the vicinity of divinity there is no negativity all beings, all levels of existence , 14 lokas , upper and lokas, all are part of the one whole , including devas, rakshasas,, kinnera, kimpurusha, gandharva, , all are striving to reach the goal of perfection, at their own pace, in their own chosen ways , in their inborn abilities'

'yath dwaare nikhila anilimpa parishath"

"Akkamahadevi , another mystique, skipped any wasteful arguments said '' if an idiot says that he jumped 10 mountains, it is better to accept ''

"Hence by passing all such lower forces, William Blake, one of unorthodox mystique poet said ''‘What is Grand is necessarily obscure to Weak men. That which can be made Explicit to the idiot is not worth my care

. The Wisest of the Ancients considered what is not too explicit as the fittest for instruction because it rouses the faculties to act.’

"Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard Are sweeter; therefore, ye soft pipes, play on; Not to the sensual ear, but, more endear'd,Pipe to the spirit ditties of no tone:---so only a few who are able to hear --not by the sensual ear, --but by the superior inner ability to perceive can really hear and enjoy the sweeter ''unheard melodies '' sung by the mediums of supreme 

supreme really speaks and shares the silence"

The supreme's mediums are enigma to the lay public

Their message is rich , but only a few can fathom its mystery hence, some times they are treated as ''mad'' by the ignorant for example, i wonder how many can really understand mysterious poem like ''Ode on a Grecian Urn''john keats

"Every being is part of nature

human too is a part of nature, nothing is separate from nature human too is not separate from nature every impulse of every being is manifestation of the pulse of nature all beings are ever alert and alive ever vigilant and in readiness in giving and taking innumerable variety of messages to and from universe in acting, reacting, feeling, responding appropriately at each encounter

 universe as a whole is sensitive and alert to the incessant hum and murmur from every creature and is able to listen and heed their voice, complaints suggestions, praises, appraises pain , pleasure, gross and subtle''universe reacts to the individual action''hence the relevance and validity of vedik hymns, yagnas,prayers, poojas every suggestion is welcome and valuable

nature does the feedback and carries out iterative improvement

"However,out of all species human has the potential to become able and effective to give suggestions and excellent suggestions to nature in such a way that nature hears them and takes cognition and acts on the suggestion, and delivers the results easily and timely, with least of human efforts, but nature cooperating abundantly, infallibly here comes the significance of the art of ''sidhi samyam'', thru which human can make the nature to dance as per his will and wish, as per his suggestions , as per his commands, as per his beck and call

vedik validity for this is in the richa---''----yatheenaam brahma bhavathi sarathi ''"

"Why he doubted by the words of Dhobi ? ''Our king might accept a wife who had stayed in another man’s home but not me ''– On hearing a washer man question the purity of the Queen of Ayodhya, Lord Ram decides to send a pregnant Mata Sita to the forest. Rama is the ideal king and for a modern reader this is heights of stupidity and absurdity. A modern reader would want Lord Ram to stand by his wife and defend her and not to fall for the irresponsible prattle of his foolish subjects. If Lord Ram had sent the washer man questioning the purity of Mata Sita to prison, he would be performing the duty of a husband. But will he be performing the duty of a King? Lord Ram could have beheaded the washer man on the spot. But will he be able behead all those people that questions the purity of Mata Sita. Lord Ram would have become a dictator! Would we worship such a Lord Ram today?"

"Ram, one of the most evolved cared, heeded, needed the feeblest murmur of the dhobhi ,as against our great home minister swearing to crush the social media for daring to express their feelings/ suggestions criticism salmon sheba episode is another ,where salmon was able to listen the hurt feelings of the ants about to get under his horse feet"

"Relax , have charminar'' the most popular ad

smoking is injurious to health'' the usual caution take what you want but you cannot escape the results/ consequences of your choice , even with your best attitude of ''detach from results of actions and one can learn good lessons and bad lessons from one's encounters good or bad, most significant to the least and trivial,and can make the best use of the wisdom gained and making the encounters as the best opportunities to accomplish a turn around in life and benefit

or be a deaf dumb rolling stone gathering no mass ,finally leading a life of weakness, disease, suffering and early death pitiably

Selfishness, yes agreed, it's the root cause.

due to it have been the horrors perpetrated by man ,

on every pretext ,

religion, superstition, ritual, tradition, habit,

even spirituality. 

applying this wisdom in this present context of cow and bull,

cruelty can be eliminated if selfishness is rooted out 

so how to root out selfishness?

who can do this?

by what means, modes, methods?

how long it takes?

if readers have a solution, why not?

let's know?

 Do your Karma but | Faith And Rituals Blog on Speakingtree.inDo your Karma but ,

before that , 
certainly do think about the results, consequences, the reactions, the effects 
it is likely to produce in all its details, 
on oneself, on others and on environ 
in the long term, short term, 
and its link with the ultimate purpose of life..

every karma has its effect, 
hence, one must use all his best discretion before jumping to do, 
under the influence of lower tendencies, 
and save yourself from the evil consequences and save others too.

 The great souls will be teaching their great wisdom | Faith And Rituals Blog on Speakingtree.inThe great souls will be teaching their great wisdom gained after life long efforts, to really benefit the seeker, alas , seeker will not get the full import, rather gets the distorted message, missing the real gem of advice. the great soul points at the stars, but the seeker looks at his finger . no one soul has said action should be done thoughtlessly, as a victim of minds desires , but has advised us to develop the best discretion and self control so that every action of us results in the best possible results.

a musician will not sing recklessly without the effort to modulate the sound to go sweetest in to the hearts of the listener , even in to his own heart and like to see the great effect it produces

 Every rose is the same rose | Faith And Rituals Blog on Speakingtree.inEvery rose is the same rose, with the same beauty, fragrance, structure, smoothness

but each rose is unique in its own, no two roses are alike 
see what you want to see, the ubiquitous though , one rose flower, in all roses
or two unique roses, each excelling the other in every feature

There is choice

to be on surface , rejoicing in seeing the infinite variety--or

to be in bliss of deep samadhi, experiencing the one single unity, --and

to be enjoying the best of both , in perceiving the all pervading unity in the multiplicity

 

Which came first Veda or Vedanta?

Ridli Strap Replies to Rishi Vasanth
Yesterday at 11:08 pm
Pranams Rishiji,
Yes, very close to the point.
The question can be asked, "Which came first Veda or Vedanta?" Majority of experts will say Veda came first and Vedanta came at the end because 'antah' means end. Some even say, once you know Vedanta, Vedas can be ignored and forgotten.
What the majority do not know is that the Vedic scientists, when they attained the end did not abandon the beginning. They realized that the end can only be achieved by starting at the beginning; hence they revisited the Vedas which incidentally were shruti or 'heard' information and could not be ignored. There had to be an element of truth in it. What was that?
Tomorrow's homework 

Ridli sir, 

veda is knowledge
vedanta is the end of knowing process ie reaching a state of ''all knowing''

once this state is attained, one lives vedanta,
in this state , the single comprehensive folder containing all Vedas, ie all knowledge is owned by such an individual.

Such a rishi, with that ability gained, when he sees the world around, tries to understand thelife, in that light and accesses that ‘’total knowledge folder’’ and opens the most relevant files suiting to his purpose, and comes out with the chunks of vedic richas, ie vedic truths, that is how Vedas are created

So Vedanta is the first step
Veda is the result

Where as Vedanta is total knowledge, veda is parts of / patial details of that total knowledge,

Since he knows total, so for him, nothing else need to be known , he finds no use for parts
so for him all vedas become superfluous