Do your Karma but | Faith And Rituals Blog on Speakingtree.inDo your Karma but ,

before that , 
certainly do think about the results, consequences, the reactions, the effects 
it is likely to produce in all its details, 
on oneself, on others and on environ 
in the long term, short term, 
and its link with the ultimate purpose of life..

every karma has its effect, 
hence, one must use all his best discretion before jumping to do, 
under the influence of lower tendencies, 
and save yourself from the evil consequences and save others too.

 The great souls will be teaching their great wisdom | Faith And Rituals Blog on Speakingtree.inThe great souls will be teaching their great wisdom gained after life long efforts, to really benefit the seeker, alas , seeker will not get the full import, rather gets the distorted message, missing the real gem of advice. the great soul points at the stars, but the seeker looks at his finger . no one soul has said action should be done thoughtlessly, as a victim of minds desires , but has advised us to develop the best discretion and self control so that every action of us results in the best possible results.

a musician will not sing recklessly without the effort to modulate the sound to go sweetest in to the hearts of the listener , even in to his own heart and like to see the great effect it produces

 Every rose is the same rose | Faith And Rituals Blog on Speakingtree.inEvery rose is the same rose, with the same beauty, fragrance, structure, smoothness

but each rose is unique in its own, no two roses are alike 
see what you want to see, the ubiquitous though , one rose flower, in all roses
or two unique roses, each excelling the other in every feature

There is choice

to be on surface , rejoicing in seeing the infinite variety--or

to be in bliss of deep samadhi, experiencing the one single unity, --and

to be enjoying the best of both , in perceiving the all pervading unity in the multiplicity

 

Which came first Veda or Vedanta?

Ridli Strap Replies to Rishi Vasanth
Yesterday at 11:08 pm
Pranams Rishiji,
Yes, very close to the point.
The question can be asked, "Which came first Veda or Vedanta?" Majority of experts will say Veda came first and Vedanta came at the end because 'antah' means end. Some even say, once you know Vedanta, Vedas can be ignored and forgotten.
What the majority do not know is that the Vedic scientists, when they attained the end did not abandon the beginning. They realized that the end can only be achieved by starting at the beginning; hence they revisited the Vedas which incidentally were shruti or 'heard' information and could not be ignored. There had to be an element of truth in it. What was that?
Tomorrow's homework 

Ridli sir, 

veda is knowledge
vedanta is the end of knowing process ie reaching a state of ''all knowing''

once this state is attained, one lives vedanta,
in this state , the single comprehensive folder containing all Vedas, ie all knowledge is owned by such an individual.

Such a rishi, with that ability gained, when he sees the world around, tries to understand thelife, in that light and accesses that ‘’total knowledge folder’’ and opens the most relevant files suiting to his purpose, and comes out with the chunks of vedic richas, ie vedic truths, that is how Vedas are created

So Vedanta is the first step
Veda is the result

Where as Vedanta is total knowledge, veda is parts of / patial details of that total knowledge,

Since he knows total, so for him, nothing else need to be known , he finds no use for parts
so for him all vedas become superfluous

 Learning –an obstruction for free expression?

the more i read, the more i remember, the more parrot i become

memory filled with cliches, hackneyed, phrases, idioms, giving an inadvertant impression that i am a learned fellow ,well read, fluent, stylish

–without revealing that i am a victim of my learning

there are plenty of expressions– my memory readily supplies , the moment i start penning a passage.

i want to convey a thing but i am distracted to convey a different thing

by the load of my vocabulary, phrases, quotes, episodes, similies, homilies,metaphors.

and secretely i get a satisfaction that i am writing nicely like a great author–which i never wanted to get.

in the process my point is lost or obscured.

i am just flabbergasted to see this phenomenon happening, and it is as if i am writing by habit , not originally

inebriated with the exuberance of my own verbocity, i tend to be a showman, a sales man of my scholarship , a curator , rather than , where i really wanted to become a creator.

jk wrote a book named ”freedom from the known”

how true it is

all my knowing has become a cage imprisonig my real being aspiring to be innovative to discover and present a new world to the readers

words creep in here , which are unnecessary and i should have used some originals.

expression should be precise to the point, purposeful, a productive endeaver.

how i wish i can be as orignal as i want to be!

extending the thought that our exposure to things around, people we come across, experiences we undergo ——-all leave their impressions, cluttering our being, making us behave as a trained monkey under the control of his master.

moment to moment we must watch and safeguard our original perfect nature from all tendencies–like how his father kept rishyashringa, isolated from all

and preserved his life to grow in to a chaste rishi who commanded the rains to shower in the kingdom

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Saroj Das

Saroj Das Rishivar;

While thinking about the Unthinkable....the mind resorts a 'thought-form' of its own. Renouncing that last 'single-thought' ..i abide in silence. The 'knowledge- absolute' , that the Atman is..., can not be known by any known methods of knowing.

Hari Om.

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Kalavathi Sonti

Kalavathi Sonti You are....... Confirming...... J k. What you say is absolutely true..about the mind ....

Starts enjoying and gets stuck with knowledge.....

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Kalavathi Sonti

Kalavathi Sonti Some times a little I ...and sometimes it becomes bigger and forgets the purpose!!

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Harjeet Kohli

Harjeet Kohli 

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Ab Narayan

Ab Narayan Very true; But it seems it is much limited to Sub continent only. In the last 40 yrs have come across many many various people of more than 25 countries, and have observed it is much so in the people of sub continent only. Leading among them from top to down wise-- India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and Nepal. In the least (bottom) level is -- Japanese, next above them may US, then comes Germany, France, higher them is English. Canadians, France more or less same. Egypt and Pak more or less same. Arabs are more or less near with US, and their good educated are not bragging much. Also, there is an Other Side of the same. The nature that what is mentioned in the article is mostly happening with EXTROVERT PEOPLE, because they wish to give more priority for expressing their knowledge. And, in case of many INTROVERT intellectuals, when they think of saying or writing something they immediately feel that word/phrase which first flashed in their mind it might be appropriate, and think further and continue deleting in their own mind many more words, and finally they present a very appropriate word, though in the meantime they take time and become slow., but appropriate and up to the point. So, this balanced view and appropriate and up to the desired level only action in many people is the result of LEARNING/STUDIES IN US UNIVERSITIES, and also we can find WITH THE PEOPLE OF JAPAN. Thanks, and regards.

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Vasanth Rv

Vasanth Rv Ab Narayan sir, gratitude for sharing wonderful leads..............i am saving the passage for my reference.................................................i now can understand how the time and circumstances /events experiences have really taken away the ''natural piety'' of child and has stuffed his mind with consequent loads of information .................your observation on ''introvert'' ways of writing confirms the way how rishis have expressed great wisdom in their original way that too in the shortest expressions.................i now can now safely say that all the clutter is due to we lost track of our 'rishi sanskriti' , thanks and regards

Ab Narayan Very true. That is why our ancient rshis left the land (NADU) ans went to the forest to do severe penance (TAPASYAM) and gained higher JNAANODAYAM. So, why they went to forests?; Truly,as you said .. to be away from -- ' loads of information (unwanted!) , and to concentrate on true spirituality. Thank you so much; I highly appreciate about your great nobility of keenness to understand and accept the truth and keenness to know the true reasons behind the intellectual and dedicated strength of our ancient scholars and the rshies; And I feel so far no any scholars of any other culture (either Abrahamic religions, or any other) have shown such depth of knowledge, intellectuality and foresightedness as much, found in our ancient rshies. Thanks, and regards. Abn/-.

We not to stay a float and be carried away like a wooden log, and get lost , and get rotten, and get destroyed

but we to learn the art of life, to swim, to dive deep, to come out , and to reach the shore against all the odds, even against the flow tides,and all the obstructions and difficulties and be a success in every sense 

Yes one has to fight to survive & Succeed..

One should learn to .wisely . skip to ''enjoy little things, for they exist in abundance.''

since there is no joy in small little things, ''na alpe sukhamasthu ...''

human is meant to strive to attain the best in life, excelling in every field and be a supreme achiever

the Veda makes a very important and logical comment: “naasti akritah kritena” – “an unconditional entity cannot be the product of a process” (Mun:1:2:12).

It also declares, “yo vai bhuma tat sukham na alpe sukham asti” – “satisfaction is only in the infinite, not in the finite” (Cha: 7:23:1).

Thus, my pursuit after security, happiness and peace, by doing various things and acquiring people and objects around me, is a futile one.
I can never get unconditional security, happiness and peace, and I can never be satisfied with whatever I get. The Veda says, “na vittena tarpaniiyo manushyaha” – “man is not satisfied by any amount of wealth” (Kat: 1:1:27). This can be extended to the other two goals also.

  scriptures in present time—-how

The need does exist immense.

contents of scriptures are meant for living them ,

1 to be seen in tapasya, meditation and
2 to be walking in their light.

reading listening, debating, learning by heart, expressing in learned forums —all is only insignificant part of the full glory.

in deep meditation they are available for conscious perception and spontaneous application in all activities

”yad yad karma karomi…….,” becomes the property of one in one’s nature—this does not happen by reciting reading repeating–though these have their own value

thus the scriptures start getting lived in the context of contemporary life,

and once lived , get interpreted , updated, in the language and idiom of our time

eg. geetha

whether one has read or not, it ‘s message is cognized in reality, beyond the limitations of language, in all phases of life, in all modern subjects of study , and one becomes ageetha, a geethaacharya in his thought, talk and walk, in his own right, his birth right

scriptures are written not from intellectual contemplation or conjuctures, or idle imagination, but from the deepest experiences of rishis , cognized from within

and the reality of these are to be gained from our own depths,
not from the heaps of books

books seve the purpose of only to confirm our cognitions ganed in the light of enlightenment

will provide some light not the enlightenment, and not meant for conformity

enlightenment only confirms the truth, and naturally makes us to conform to it