perfection   What did anna hazare see in corrupt political leaders ? he saw perfection or imperfection ?if he saw imperfection, then is it due to his imperfectness? or due to his perfection ?if anna was corrupt, then he would have seen corruption as bad ?

in the class room , the teacher sees the mistakes of students and corrects their mistakes is it because teacher is imperfect if teacher is perfect, then will he ignore the imperfection of students, so this statement '' Imperfection sees imperfection only!'' is it perfect or imperfect if i say it is imperfect, can you conclude i that am imperfect,,,,,,,,,,,,, perfection sees the imperfection , and triggers action to reach perfection

"But imperfection saw ok , perfection, in the imperfection in the building that collapsed so imperfection cannot see imperfection, since it cannot see perfectly it is perfection that sees perfectly and finds out defects , imperfections so perfection sees imperfection

"So blinded perfection ie imperfection saw the building as perfection"

"Meaning: God is perfect (infinite). This Universe is also perfect (infinite). If perfection (infinity) is taken from anything perfect (infinite) what remains is still perfect (infinite). Let there be peace, peace, peace."

"Unmanfest spirit is the system , the ocean, the reservoir of water----adorable-----but beyond the reach to do worship, enlightened alone can grasp  manifest entities are the visible components of system----parts of the system----adorable too------within the reach hence unenlightened worship these, in the process a day will come in the life of unenlightened to find the meaning of the meaningless and propel him to find the truth finally"The wholeness is =system +components of system =unmanifest+manifest" Unmanifest infinite wholeness collapses into ----the huge whole tree hiding itself in the tiny seed back again the manifest finite , a part of wholeness, the limited individuality takes birth------the tiny limited se

 

perfection cannot be defined, it is an abstraction, it is not a thing or ,material, or product, or being or process which can be felt by senses 

however one can know what perfection is by contacting and being the perfection, himself , in his core , in his essence , 

but 

perfect things can be defined since we can see / feel them 

,,,,,,,,also

we can get a understanding of perfection by its characteristics such as 

purity

originality

orderliness

symmetry, 

finish

texture

and other infinite characteristics

In a perceivable object you can see /feel the perfection 

excellently tuned musical instrument like sitar/tabla etc

nice song

good dance

delicious dish, 

artistically designed dress

delightful perfume 

warm cloths etc

these or such other thing will have a level of perfection

2 how many perfection could be there in one being? 

indivdual is a composite/compacted layers of different degrees of perfection

like onion peals one within the next and so on 

broadly

body is the gross form of perfection---visible

mind is the subtle form of perfection-----invisible, yet we know it exists 

consciousness , the essence, is the ultimate form of perfection-----invisible, beyond the feel, it's existence .

2a within each of above again sub gradation/ sub layers exist 

for eg 

body --bone is grosser, skin is subtler, bone[teeth] cannot feel the smoothness or warmth as the skin

also palm is more sensitive than the reverse side of palm

thru skin one cannot cannot see

thru eye one can see

so eye is more perfect than skin or bone 

similarly 

inside the mind gross and subtle layers exist of different levels of perfection

3 how to achieve it [perfection] ?

this is the eternal FAQ

there are different ways 

but some ways are smarter wiser, intelligent , quicker, surer, 

masters have been all along guiding thru ages, 

simplest , direct path to perfection is to experience the state of perfection in the experience of samadhi , it is the most easiest, nearest, intimately accessible 

every creator along the corridors of times has been experiencing it, and as a result brought out the products with most charming beauty, order, truth, 

any artist or professional who wants to create perfect products/creations must experience this state, which enables him to create perfect output with great ease without effort

views depend on how one sees/defines  hinduism

in my view hinduism is a no label , 

it is the nearest cognition of the actual system governing the universe, 

and so 

is the most scientific precise in its approach, 

appropriately tolerant and accepting truths cognized by all other religions or individuals

and appropriately not tolerant and rejecting misperceptions of all other religions or individuals

Deep

Can i make use of things to my best self exploration, 

unmindful of environ, like valmiki, not asking god any thing

can i encash on what ever the imperfections to my evolution, as a nourishment

should i wait till perfection dawns from outside

can i be the perfection that i expect from environ

only imperfection that complains ..is it true?

 

only imperfection that complains ..is it true?   what is imperfect?
1 any complainer will have to have the basis from which he can launch his complaint what is the basis here of this ''imperfection'' to complain? since it is imperfection, it's basis also necessarily is imperfection, if his basis is perfect, he no more can be called imperfect

 

2 who normally complains? why anna complains why baba complains why gandhi complained against aliens
3 he complains because he sees imperfection  why others did not complain" because they saw perfection? or are they perfect  no  they are compromised on the imperfection , accepted the imperfection , they blind , deaf dumb numb dummy , not doing their job, -- they are imperfect  so imperfect will not complain

 

4 this takes me to emergency days tc in the sleeper coach was allotting the berths to the ones who had boarded the train only with seats, hoping to get berth in case become vacant he was taking bribes in addition to normal charges, and passengers were helpless, compromised, gave money  i saw, said to that fellow ''stop this , how dare you are cheating'' he did not respond, continued, i shouted again in the next stop, he got down returned with two policemen

They said '' idiot, if you want to reach home and see your parents, keep your mouth shut''

 

''or else, get down and follow us to lock up room'' who is the one who complains on imperfection who is the one who does not complain, ,accepting the imperfection
Is it the imperfection that complains no no no now i compromised, i knew how the big leaders were put in jail by indira govt i became blind deaf dumb numb --till i reached home

 

5 so my say is  imperfection does not complain on imperfection imperfection keeps mum in compromise, happy with flattery, platitude pleasantries,  blind cannot complain they have no basis to know what truth can be , and what prevails is less than perfection  and accept the imperfection, the another blind blind admiring blind, scratching backs
So imperfection appreciates imperfection asura admiring asura they complain on sura, perfection, not on imperfection , asura

 

Converse is true perfection complains on imperfection rama complains on ravan perfection admires perfection ram woships linga linga [[hanuman]]woeships ram they form not scratch back pair but self referral pair conclusion perfection admires perfection perfection complains imperfection imperfection does not complain imperfection imperfection does not know perfection  only connoisseurs admire perfection only connoisseurs criticize imperfect creations of art music politics economics every field ,  and give valuable feedback to the artist where he can improve towards reaching perfection , telling him what are the imperfections observed by their keen eye

 perfection

What did anna hazare see in corrupt political leaders ? he saw perfection or imperfection ?if he saw imperfection, then is it due to his imperfectness? or due to his perfection ?if anna was corrupt, then he would have seen corruption as bad ?in the class room , the teacher sees the mistakes of students and corrects their mistakes is it because teacher is imperfect if teacher is perfect, then will he ignore the imperfection of students, so this statement '' Imperfection sees imperfection only!'' is it perfect or imperfect if i say it is imperfect, can you conclude i that am imperfect,,,,,,,,,,,,, perfection sees the imperfection , and triggers action to reach perfection

"But imperfection saw ok , perfection, in the imperfection in the building that collapsed so imperfection cannot see imperfection, since it cannot see perfectly it is perfection that sees perfectly and finds out defects , imperfections so perfection sees imperfection

"So blinded perfection ie imperfection saw the building as perfection"

"Meaning: God is perfect (infinite). This Universe is also perfect (infinite). If perfection (infinity) is taken from anything perfect (infinite) what remains is still perfect (infinite). Let there be peace, peace, peace."

 

"Unmanfest spirit is the system , the ocean, the reservoir of water----adorable-----but beyond the reach to do worship, enlightened alone can grasp

 manifest entities are the visible components of system------parts of the system----adorable too------within the reach hence unenlightened worship these, in the process a day will come in the life of unenlightened to find the meaning of the meaningless and propel him to find the truth finally

"The wholeness is =system +components of system =unmanifest+manifest" Unmanifest infinite wholeness collapses into itself-------the huge whole tree hiding itself in the tiny seed back again the manifest finite , a part of wholeness, the limited individuality takes birth------the tiny limited seed sprouts to reach its original fully blossomed wholeness , --yathaa poorve------as was the original

cycle repeats the processes of contraction, expansion and contraction and then expansion ----this goes on no end of story but every episode is its own glory"

"The parambhramma has one match, guru ----------guru sakshaath parabrahma [ i wonder, how did i give a matching reply !!!, i must say, jai gurudev, guru has come to my help ]"

"Infinite wholeness collapses to become the finite, manifest entities"

"I see truth=wholeness=perfection=poornam =ultimate level of evolution, = pinnacle of existence, = pure existence=paraapara=is though came from para, is of retail of wholeness, partial fullness , evolving to rise back to its original fullness, yathaa poorve as was earlier"

"Just find out what is the meaning of poornamadah poornamidam poornaathpoornamudachyathepoornasya poornamaadaayaa poornamevaavashishyathe"

a unmanifest absolute pure awareness is perfect, it is perfection , it is full, nothing is wanting in it , it's the wholeness

b the manifest visible universe with all its forms and phenomenoa. is also perfection, nothing is wanting in it , it's the wholeness

c the visible manifest perfection is born out of that invisible unmanifest absolute perfection perfection is born out of perfection

d when perfection is taken out of perfection , what remains is perfection why i referred this is , it defines the origin of perfection, , and its equations it helps in grasping the abstract value of perfection but this can be only experienced and known, and not possible to get at its full import only by reading and debate once this unmanifest perfection is experienced, the individual sees all creation and the infinite degrees of perfection present in everything the point is he sees each thing in the light of perfection and sees different things having imperfections of different degrees, and sees that everything is evolving to the ultimate level of perfection he will not accept the substandard, he wll not ignore defects, but he sees that system evolves tto meet the standards of perfection"

"Can we define what is perfection what its parameters how to measure how to quantify what is the standard think and give a considered reply"

"What is the standard?

isi or bsi specifies the standards, and awards the hallmark of perfection of the product iso certifies the perfection of quality system of the unit"

"How to quantify? percentage of passed quantity indicates the level of perfection with which the system of the unit is working"

"How to measure?

inspection, quality control, reliability testing system measures , grades, and certifies acceptability . rejects the imperfect/defective products

the alert inspectors here, the perfection , with open eyes sees the imperfection and segregates

perfection is not seeing the perfection"

"What i's parameters

parameters vary depending on product

the building that collapsed in Bombay is not a perfect product , since failing in quality / safety/statutory standards on design materials, construction processes

here those who are supposed to see imperfections, chose to see perfection the imperfect team of officials saw perfection and okayed so imperfect failed to see imperfection"

"B perfection cannot be seen in a vacuum, emptiness, it can be visible/ feelable on a thing or a beng or a process ----which are necessary basis / means to get at the perfection

 c perfection is with reference to certain specifications , within the limits and boundary of those parameters, but not a unending exercise , not aimless , not unclear mirage"

let's get at much nearer , much clearer, more real

i can easily give vague , philosophical, mysterious, enigmatic answers, rather worn out clichés and get away, rather escape from this challenge---saying, perfection is divine etc but let me be bold and down to earth, precise, and practical on this issue

Can we define what is perfection ?

yes, perfection is the ultimate degree of improvement that is possible in the design / and creation of a product to meet a set of specifications

the product can be a car, a fan, a toy, a painting, a sculpture, a song, a dance , a drama, an essay, a poem anything

a perfection is not hypothetical, not above earthly, a real possibility if it is within the permissible limits of / within specified tolerance, and is meeting all the specs and passes all the specified tests , it's a perfect product, perfection is visible by tested and proven parameters and its acceptable performance within specification"

i am answering on both levels, physical/material level and abstract /spiritual level kindly

"Perfection is the beginning, born in perfection evolves to perfection poornath poornamudachyathe"

"Perfection is something definitely attainable, instantly since you are the perfection you unveil, there you stand perfect"

"Every moment perfection updates navo navo bhavathi

rose is perfect as a bud, as a flower, as rose tree becoming better roses and better and better rose tree , tree to seed to tree iterative improvements wholeness collapsing and regaining the wholeness"

err happens out of ignorance maharishi says----man is born not to err , he is born to be perfect , evolve to ultimate perfect being , the god"

"Not all humans are ignorant, all the time, to err is not a human nature always

every moment all beings are evolving , though marginally, so the right statement is '' not to err is human''"

"Nature provides appropriate wisdom , no less no more perfectly suiting each individual but individual also has been enabled to raise his iq to genius level , pragnavaan"

"Nature also creates through trials, but no errors. nature is infallible flawless, laws are perfectly working never it errs" It  is perfect without any attributes"

"Perfection is totality of all views"

"Perfection is truth, truth is perfection since truth has infinite dimensions, perfection is Sum total of all views"

 

 fine tuning

generally , when we do anything, our conscience sends a silent message ''why not do it in a better way , simpler way, saving time energy resources, towards optimum results.. but our habits tendencies, conditioning, hurry, worry, other prerogatives, all dilute the attention and we do it as a second rate, just a formality/ unpleasant obligation, and as a result lose the precious opportunity to do the best...on a wider perspective, every task needs fine tuning ability .. if our attention is trained, then life becomes ''art of living''. Performance of even mundane tasks will turns out artistic masterpieces.. key is constant attentiveness

tuning is for reaching perfection, excellence , but the right question is in which direction ..........reminds me an instruction in yoga course by teacher, he said ''find what exactly you need to do really .. after that do all planning and execution expertly''......yes, we tend to do unnecessary things best expertise