tiranga yatra

Vasanth Rv

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why waste time and energies on unproductive publicity..instead invest in uplifting poor, spend money wisely, ......performance speaks louder than all speeches, and road shows ....is.citizen paying taxes for such wasteful spending??

Government to take out 'tiranga yatras' on 70th Independence Day - Times of India

BJP will celebrate Independence Day in a grand way, highlighting its "pro-poor" and nationalistic agenda, with the party likely to carry out a 'Tiranga Yatra' for a week…

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Raja Kantan I fully endorse. These expenditures are wasteful and for photoops.
It can be better utilused for the welfare of the down trodden

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Vinay Bhat Let's dump every activity and do this collectively. Moto of every earning individual including industrialists, actors, army, navy, airforce, bar and restaurant owners, should be to uplift the down trodden. Let's do this "only" task and do nothing othe...See More

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Vasanth Rv i agree, i am tapering my presence in the social media ,in preference to useful work, simplicity is my way,

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Vinay Bhat Sir, please don't think that I am complaining about you. This is a general sentiment most of our people carry. Some guys advises to stop pouring milk on shivling and share that milk with poor. Such guys get a reason to attack our culture by projecting as though they are concerned about poverty. Ask them to donate or give job to the poor, they will deny with stupid reasons but expect us to thrash our culture or critique our culture backing with the reason of poverty. Ask them to avoid spending on expensive movie tickets or visit to a pub or a pleasure joint, they will not do any of these but will question native tradition by giving stupid reason. Many confused guys also support such things with out understanding the politics of this kind. Why is that these guys get to question our culture, tradition, or activities that are towards respecting nation, and give us the idea of not being charitable?. Why only our sense of who we are, is questioned with the backing of poverty being the only reason?. Why is it that other cultures not helping to get rid of poverty by giving education or job with out conversion?. What kind of arguments are we likely to face with these filthy reasoning?. I don't understand...

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Vasanth Rv Vinay Bhat i appreciate your concern. if intentions are pure, actions also will be helpful....there are certain evil elements trying to undermine our culture..we must be careful.......1... but we ourselves do not know the basics of our rishi sanskriti, first we must be strong so that none can harm us......2....will .tiranga yatra help?? i doubt....some thing more radical steps are needed

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Vinay Bhat Vasanth sir, like in every family, youngsters are taught to respect their elders, government of a young nation is trying to inculcate a discipline among our younger generation to respect our nation. What is wrong in it?. First discipline has to be established after people learn to respect the themselves and their nation, they will learn to listen and then things can be normalized. Nothing happens at lightening speed. It has to be a steady process. India has become a nation of young generation which is ready to leave everything at the drop of a hat and go to US or UK or Australia or Canada or California etc and settle down there. This is what many of our youngsters think. For most of us money or material wealth has assumed highest position now. It was seeking truth which was one of the highest goals before colonial Era. So if you observe, we have shifted our goal from seeking truth to seeking material prosperity. This shift is causing all sort of distortion. And then we all sit and question tiranga yatra. 
Not required sir. This does not happen in any nation except in India. We hate respecting any act that expresses a sense of self respect and respect to nation.

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Vasanth Rv Vinay Bhat hope i am not prolonging...........i simply admire your grasp...you have a lot to contribute..................... ................................... ...you are very right sir, ''we have shifted our goal from seeking truth to seeking material prosperity. This shift is causing all sort of distortion''...nicely identified the lacuna...........so how to correct, what is your solution.for this, how to go about it??..................leaving aside the thiranga issue for a while

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Vinay Bhat Vasanth sir, colonization oppressed us. Our education system, language got changed, our thinking got changed and those who enslaved us, handed over the legacy to their favorite slave Mr. Nehru who was intellectual slave of British. His rule supported i...See More

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Vasanth Rv Vinay Bhat sir, i totally concur , very illuminating contributions , thank you....so i gather rituals should not be just formalities, but the spirit must be imbibed.....i underline yoga, mediation must be relived by our countrymen and revive our glorious sanskriti.....and enough time has been lost, we must not continue in slumber.......at the same time we should not forget the advantages we gained from the english culture, science technology...i feel sanskrit should be a compulsory subject .....i sense that better times are ahead bharath will rise again to be the true leader/teacher for the world , thank you sir, and thanks all for valuable sharings

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Vinay Bhat It is nice to sit and write nonsense that the entire government has to forget every other activity and focus on uplifting of down trodden. Guys, come out of this nonsense and be aware that there are schemes and plans for development for poor people to get them out of poverty. Show me how many poor people have actually made efforts to pull themselves out of poverty. There is nothing to speak about it. The struggle has to be from both ends. We can not sit and write nonsense just because we have good amount of time to post comments on Facebook.

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Vasanth Rv my observation is poor are struggling hard doing what ever work they can do, yet remaining poor.....where as rich are becoming richer...........................we vent our feelings in face book.. let us hope the concerned will take note and do needful

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Vinay Bhat Sir, I don't condemn the poor but, poverty is nurtured by poor as they get their basic means without any much of efforts and just by claiming victimhood at every situations. You think of eradicating poverty by giving money, food, shelter, they will stop progressing themselves. Now think of giving them jobs, they will not do it properly and will delay the work or screw up the work. Now think of complaining about their quality of work, they will claim victimhood by blaming the higher up for being biased. What will you do in such cases? Nothing more than appeasing them. Inshort, poor people in most of the cases don't prefer coming out of poverty themselves. Now if pm were to come up with developmental schemes, the same poor people including confused intellectuals will oppose development by giving environmental reasons. The final take is, India at its current growth rate, will take atheist another 100 years to come out of poverty. Till then what will government, industrialists, working-class, and learning class do?. Nothing but eradicate poverty only?. Please think about it. My point is, government has already taken steps in most of the areas simultaneously and we need not think of focusing only on one thing. India has many issues and every issue has to be handled simultaneously.

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Vasanth Rv mostly agreed sir, my point is ...among many steps, govt must also take auterity measures..this yatra costs a lot ..we have independence day celebrations instead

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Vinay Bhat Sir, if 15 % of educated and creative class can think about nation and it's welfare by dedicating their creative efforts in India, many Enterprises can come up in our country and many will get benefits out of it. Tell me, how many guys prefer to do it instead of lobbying for US or Europe visa?. It is not just the government but people also have to collectively cone forward and assist the government to carry out initiatives together. We expect thing to be done by government and think of US or Europe for ourselves. Ask a young student as to what is his ambition. You are sure to get his response as I said. What can you do about this?.

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Vasanth Rv Vinay Bhat there is vast difference we as individuals , and we as a empowered executives in the factory .... We expect thing to be done by government, because, they are empowered by us...but .we will not wait . we cannot wait for govt to help....think of US or Europe for ourselves, since our life/career is at stake

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Vinay Bhat Vasanth sir, most of the western and European including Arab nations are pretty you as a nation. Bharat is the ancient living civilization. It takes time fir us to realign our goals. Small and young nations which thrived on colonial loot does not need ...See More

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Shekhar Ray "why waste time and energies on unproductive publicity" - In world, publicity is all that matters ....... publicity may make the majority to believe even the most worst as the best for them. .. and what the majority believe matters a lot ..... At least in present world you can't deny the power of publicity....... politics is never for charity/welfare of public and in independent India there came hardly any govt. above politics.

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Vasanth Rv yes, it is a bitter truth, they having their own agenda

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Vinay Bhat Poverty is enjoying in India because it is been taken care for a very long time by poor people.

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Sudheindra R. Shidleepur If the intentions are pure nothing is a waste. When there are mazes of opinions and more so, in incomprehensible prejudices, it does make meaning to publicise the intentions. After all any activity starts with an intention. And to reinforce these inten...See More

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Vasanth Rv instilling a fervour of nationalism, we have official celebrations in the country at every level .....how can yatra really help .more than these celebrations??...

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Ab Narayan Vasanth Rv ABN 2 RV: 'Nationalism', and 'Patriotism' .. true sense and realistic meaning of these words, and their applicability in real sense are very much misunderstood and misconceived by most people in our country, India. Most people particularly c...See More

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Sudheindra R. Shidleepur Vasanth Rv In a complex country like ours if official celebrations alone could instill a national fervour, we would not have a chief minister of a state who blatantly supports and even abets illegal immigration from a neighboring country and provides them with all goodies including voting rights only with vote bank politics in mind and even wins a state elections, we would not have CM of yet another state who is more interested in participating in an Iftar celebrations in a neighboring country, who spews venom at our nation, and that too on a day when Yoga is being celebrated all over the world when Yoga signifies our own contribution to the well-being of all humans, we would not have CM of yet another small territory who openly declares his allegiance to that venom spewing neighbor through his open declaration of a plebiscite in an integral state of the country and whose victory is celebrated in that venom spewing neighbor, we would not have a group of so called students of couple of major universities who blatantly shout anti-India slogans and pro-venom spewing neighbor and hold placards for breaking India & her spirits and we would not have the so called grand old party of India as also their friendly parties aligning with these anti-social elements in the name of freedom of expression, we would not have yet another left political party engaging the services of these students to fight a state elections and even to go on winning these elections. we would not have some leaders of this grand old party of India visiting the venom spewing neighbor to denounce the current PM of the country and seeking support of that country to dethrone the PM of this country who was elected by a popular mandate. No sir, as I mentioned earlier these are indeed a peculiar phenomenon unique to our country where people at large have so far been apathetic to the country's needs & progress and where they were more interested in their own & their respective family's welfare (although nothing wrong with this) but at the cost of the nation itself which harbors some few blatant anti-nationalistic mindset which has come out in the open after Modis ascension as PM of the country. And when such mind-set is overwhelmingly present business-as-usual attitude does not work and it is indeed necessary to go what appears as overboard in celebrations for instilling a nationalistic fervor. And this blatant anti-nationalism is never heard of in any other part of the world where political differences do exist but not the culminate in blatant anti-nationalism that we are witnessing in this country. This sad but the true ground reality which need not conventional approach but extra conventional measures. As true nationals we need to see it as such keeping aside our personal opinions & prejudices aside.

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Sudheindra R. Shidleepur There is another angle to this which in fact is more visible and yet subtle and being subtle, very profound it its implications. Which is,"instead invest in uplifting poor, spend money wisely, ......performance speaks louder than all speeches, and road shows" The visible measures taken in ALL spheres of governance to uplift the poor can be seen by anyone who can see in terms of; workable crop insurance scheme for the farmers, better irrigation schemes,soil health card for the farmers to plan their own sustainable & profitable cultivation practices, digital services & networking of agricultural produces market, Jan dhan yojana for financial inclusion of ALL sections and particularly the deprived sections, Mudra scheme of funding the unfunded and in general all such measures to provide the poor of this country the wherewithal to fight their own poverty conditions. And for 67 years of independence the poor of this country were deliberately kept poor. Some of the initiatives of the current government are of paradigm shifting quality in terms of transforming the mind-set thus far prevalent by way of energizing each issue of importance as a popular movement. In a popular movement the collective expressions and therefore the actions get to be aligned with the transforming mind-set and when this get established the existing efforts in themselves will start fetching results. Like in a movement of the wind, anything in its way get to be aligned in the same direction as the wind itself. And this is indeed the profound nature of any social movement and this is how to cause an idea's time coming. And this idea's time coming through movements happen invariably through conversations at all levels, expressions of intent, actions matching that intent. And all expressions precede actions since expressions create an enabling environment in the absence of which any & all actions, however well intended, doe not bear fruits. Once an enabling environment is generated any action AND all actions start bearing fruits. And this enabling environment is INVARIABLY generated out of popular movements. If you look at history, any social transformation in all spheres of existence anywhere in the world has happened out of this enabling environment. Anybody who mattered most spoke it first, Swami Vivekananda spoke the religiosity inherent in this nation in his Chicago address which transformed the very perspective of this nation in the eye of the world, Mahatma Gandhi spoke of independence which became a movement and history is abundant with such illustrations of what the passionate & authentic rhetoric does in terms of transforming the climate in which what needs to happen happens. The present times in our country need such authentic rhetoric to generate movements so as to vigorously shake up our collective sloth & slumber of 67 years. And let us be a part of this movement instead of being an armchair critique. Note another thing; in an enabling environment under way, even a criticism helps build up the movement towards the cherished common goal.

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Vasanth Rv Ab Narayan sir , i am awe struck at your unveiling of real spirit of nationalism and patriotism, and am awakened on the positive role of every citizen towards the nation , my heartfelt salute to you

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Vasanth Rv Sudheindra R. Shidleepur ji, i am thankful for your eye opening disclosures on the happenings in the country by all kinds of negative/anti-national elements....probably they will be psychologically kept in check by witnessing the massive power/support / unity of positive forces and will think twice on the consequences if they continue the mischief,,,,i now am seeing its possible utility..let's hope it works.we wait and see

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Vasanth Rv Sudheindra R. Shidleepur sir i am again thankful to you for giving a broad perspective of the issue and the deeper implications of the mass upsurge, and so the justification ..............i feel your views and the views of Ab Narayan sir on the spirit of patriotism together must be taken to get a balanced assessment ....any way let's all pray and work sincerely , in what ever capacity , so that we benefit individually and collectively, let me say bharath matha ki jai with associated responsibility and duty towards the nation

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Ab Narayan OMG!, RVasantji, very truly speaking, you spoke my heart. Very right, very proper, and very true suggestion for true democratic system, as compared to west Europe and north America, we are far away from true democracy, as it could be clearly observed by seeing 1) what our present politicians are doing, and 2) by our observing what some people are justifying such unjustifiable actions.

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