To name me is to designate me 

to accomplish the impossible ,

to raise me , to enable me

to live that name,

to realize that name in real life ,

to shape me, to mold me ,

to sculpt me, to cast me, to construct me,

to paint me, to sharpen me , to elevate me,

from nothing, that i really am

from the colorless tasteless odorless raw material that i am

to enable me to grow as a personality

as an entity , as an individuality,

to become a visible god

from the invisible deeper potential at the core

Names make the forms

name is a seed sown in the consciousness,

sprouts, grows, becomes the form

good names create good personalities

bad names, curses, create bad personalities

naming is a great sanskar

New name is a new life

narendra is vivekananda

gautham is budha

rk is param hansa

mahesh is mahesh yogi

rajneesh is osho

kaushik is vishvamithra

We

have namavali 108 names, 1000 names,

each is a powerful seed

in fact one name is not sufficient for one individual

an individual is a bundle of infinite individuals ,

having different potential personalities to be activated

and brought to surface by appropriate names

now an anti climax, on the limitation of name!

there is much more than a name can tell ,

since ''name does negate''

any name is associated with form, qualities, characteristics,

dimensions, geo, time frame,

and so definitely ''negates'' the truth of one's indefinable grand existence ,

and is a binding and a hindrance, a veil, an obstruction,

so it's not a unmixed blessing ,

how to reconcile the great positive potential of name

with equally negative potential?

simple

on the upward journey to reach the nirgun nirakarpara brahman ,

to the core of our being, the fertile field

from which all potentialities manifest,

one must ''get rid of'' all limiting nama rupa guna ,

transcend , go beyond and reach that field .

once established in that field, now the glory of nama comes into picture

here is the stage the nama brings with it,

all the mahimas from that field as if seed sprouts and yields crop of all virtues associated with every name, into the manifest daily living of the individual ,

makes him mahimaanvitha .

here is the significance of all the names of all the gods

and one becomes the shiva if one wants

or vishnu if he wants, or lakshmi if s/he wants as per his/her need and desire

all gods are now playing with him , sharing their unlimited powers .

this is how one needs to be familiar with his ''nameless'' stature,

and also one needs to invoke the names and enjoy the ''name-fullness'' of that name

ie, one should be able to traverse from parabrahma to any loka transparently, by nama sankeerthan like narad and be also on the earth plane with his official aadhaar card or pan card etc

think on how saints truly overcame the negating /limiting / downsizing effect

of the the name , form, and biodata, and asserted their real grand stature

Let us see what adi shankara said for these FAQs

1 Who are you?

He did not say his name is shankara,

But he said

I am not these limiting features

I am that unmanifest absolute

Shivoham,

He asserted once again

shivah kevaloham

2 where are you from, ?

He did not say I am of kaladi,kerala

But he said

Swadesho bhuvanathrayam

My land is the entire three bhuvanas

3 who are your parents, kith and kin,

He did not say parents x , y

But he said

Matha cha parvathi devi

Pitha devo maheshvara

Bandhava shivabhkthasya

4 who is your guru?

He would have repeated simply he is so and so ,

but he asserted truly

My guru is

Gurur brahma gurur Vishnu, gururdevo maheshvara

Gurusakshath parabrahma

brahma, vishnu , maheshvara are my guru

verily, the unmanifest absolute is my guru

he again delimits the influence of name negating the true stature of his human guru

really , the saints are so wise not to get bound by any factor localizing their universal existence, miniaturize / or negate their infinite stature

 Art   let’s know  how music and all art forms  mediums evolved

''Geetham, Vadyam, tatha Nrithyam thrayam Sangeethamuchyathe.''

Combination of geetham (song), vadyam (instrument), nrithyam (dance) form sangeetham.

in this context, natya shahtra,and its details mudras, rasas, bhavas become significant,

basically spiritual pursuits lead us to capture the basics every aspect of life

when the basics are grasped, it is easy to comprehend the elaborations , and we get maximum joy in listening seeing the artistic expressions in the capacity of a connoisseur , a rasagna

thus i have developed interest in almost every branch of knowledge, internet sharing is a great help

as you said, there are opportunities to learn more

1 if you can deal ramayan, and mahabharath separately with 9 rasas applicability it will be good

we should not switch from one to other suddenly it causes some disturbance

2 visuals are distractions in the spiritual contemplation, blocks the mind in creating and enjoy its own created images

3 every scripture every episode has deeper meaning, what is the deeper meaning that you are getting out of this blog, and

4 what is the spiritual significance of navarasas in life in attaining mukthi, the prime goal?

5 do rasas require an external medium / stimuli for their manifestation

6 what are the fields in life which rasas have a major role

7 are rasas to be relished encouraged or to be despised and kept at a distance?

According to Bharata’s Natyashastra there are eight fundamental feelings or mental states referred to as Sthayibhavas which can be experienced by human beings. These are: Delight (Rati), Laughter (Hasya), sorrow (Soka), Anger (Krodha), Heroism (Utsaha), Fear (Bhaya), Disgust (Jugupsa), and wonder (Vismaya). Corresponding to these mental states are eight Rasas: the Erotic (srngara), the Comic (Hasya) the Pathetic (Karuna), the Furious (Raudra), the Heroic (Vira), the Terrible (Bhayanaka), the Odious (Bibhatasa), and the Marvelous (Adbhuta). A ninth Rasa, the Peaceful (Shanta) was later added.

The realisation of Rasa is said to result from the union of three interrelated elements – Vibhava, Anubhava and Vyabicaribhava and also the permanent mood called Sthayibhava.

For this question 7 are rasas to be relished encouraged or to be despised and kept at a distance?

 

in the light of your explanation, i tend to conclude,that rasas are inevitable effects and cannot be prevented from happening , so we to welcome them with the help of the permanent mood called Sthayibhava.

this is the correlation of feelings/mental states with rasas and more

“Our emotions are the gastric juices which transform this world of appearance into the more intimate world of sentiments. On the other hand, this outer world has its own juices, having their various qualities, which excite our emotional activities. This is called in our Sanskrit Rhetoric, Rasa, which signifies outer juices having their response in inner juices of our emotions. And a poem, according to it, is a sentence or sentences containing juices, which stimulate the juices of emotion. It brings to us ideas vitalized by feelings, ready to be made into the life-style of nature” Rabindranath Tagore

 

The fusion of Rasa theory and Bhakti is widely attributed to Rupa Gosvami, a disciple of Caitanya, who is credited with two key texts examining emotional devotion – the Bhaktirasamrtasindhu (“River of the Immortal Nectar of the Experience of Devotion”) and the Ujjvalanilamani (“The Effulgent Blazing Sapphire”). Emotional devotion begins with the ‘ordinary’ forms of love and desire felt by human beings, but the intention is to transform the ordinary into the sublime. Thus every devotee (regardless of background, caste etc.) is instructed to perform a set of basic practices. Whilst the Bhaktirasamrtasindhu details 64 Veidhi (“that which is based on rules”), there are five which are deemed to be ‘foundationational’:

* Recitation of the name of Krishna

* Remembering and savouring the exploits of Krishna as revealed in the Bhagavata Purana

* Serving the image of Krishna in temples

* Living in the company of holy men

* Living in the mandala of Mathura or Braj (Mathura is the reputed birthplace of Krishna)

By constantly turning one’s mind towards Krishna, the devotee begins a process which – gradually – becomes profound devotion. The basic human emotions are themselves insufficient, and must be continually refined. The devotee learns, progressively, to recognise all the various factors which either intensify or distract from this divine love. Gradually, the devotee learns how to transform the emotion (bhava) of ordinary desire (kama) into the pure and selfless love known as prema. For the advanced devotee, the 64 sadhanas are not mechanical ritual acts, but spontaneous expressions of love, the experience of which is to taste the Rasa – the pure essence of Love. Krishna is the source of Rasa, and there cannot, for devotees, be any Rasa apart from Krishna.

Any devotee whose mind is completely focused on Krishna will, it is said, involuntarily display evidence of that devotion, so that here, the Sattvikabhavas become markers of intense devotion.

 

Gosvami divides the path of the devotee into three stages. The first is that of Vaidhi-Bhakti, in which the devotee purifies his feelings using the aforementioned practices. The second stage is termed Raganuga-Bhakti – “the devotion of passion”. In this stage, the devotee is said to become a divine participant within the lila of Krishna, and does so by dwelling on the emotional feelings of love exchanged between Krishna and his parents, playmates, and the Gopis. Devotees engaged in Raganuga-Bhakti model their emotions on these divine ideal types. There are five appropriate moods: the Santa-Rasa (peaceful mood, as expressed for example, by meditating sages); the Dasya-Rasa (mood of servitude, as expressed by Krishna’s servants); the Sakhya-Rasa (mood of friendship); the Vatslya-Rasa (mood of parenthood – i.e. Krishna’s parents) and the Madhurya-Rasa (the conjugal mood expressed for example by the Gopis). Through Raganuga-Bhakti, the devotee is able to taste the Rasa (essence) of the players in Krishna’s lila. The final stage of devotion is that of Ragatmika-Bhakti – the perfected love of Krishna as experienced by the Gopis and other actors in Krishna’s Lila.

this is the great implied process of progressive transformation ,,the master key in this ''Emotional devotion begins with the ‘ordinary’ forms of love and desire felt by human beings, but the intention is to transform the ordinary into the sublime''.

Rasa is about human state of mind. Its about what the mind feels and the expression of the feeling thereafter. In the Bharata’s Natyashastra, Rasa is an emotion experienced by the audience created by the facial expression or the Bhava of the actor. In indian classical dance it is referred to as Rasa-abhinaya.

Human life is a rich fabric that is given colour and texture by the many happenings that shape it. The mundane actions that characterize every day as well as the extraordinary happenings that make and keep our lives interesting are all threads that get woven together to form this tapestry. The one thing that is common to all these threads is the fact that they evoke feelings in us, we respond to them with our emotions before they can become a part of our internal life. Indeed, life can be thought of as a continuous sequence of emotions that arise in various contexts and circumstances. These emotions, or rasas, are what give life different hues, shades and colours.

8 how the art of acting on the drama is related to nava rasas

9 is villain in real life is only actor

10 an actor acting a villain role how he feels on the rasa effect on his personality/ on personal life

11 are rasas are artificially induced, or natural responses?

9, 10 depends on how strong the personality the person carries.

 

11)Rasa can be understood as a dynamic experience between the artist, expression, and those who receive it. The artist experiences an emotion and is so overwhelmed by it that he seeks a medium with which to express those feelings. The one who views the artists’ work receives this emotion through the artists’ medium and so experiences the same emotion felt by the creator. The extent to which the viewer experiences the emotion felt by the creator depends on both the creator’s aptitude in presenting the work and the viewers’ aptitude to receive it.

''The extent to which the viewer experiences the emotion felt by the creator depends on both the creator’s aptitude in presenting the work and the viewers’ aptitude to receive it.''

leads me to say it is a factor of ''rasagnatha'' the capacity of the individuals to create , to share, to receive, it is a valuable trait of the personality, beyond the surface /superficiality

A key text which deals with the emotional theory of Rasa is the Natyashastra (the Textbook on Drama), attributed to Bharata Muni (some academics believe that it is more likely to be a compilation by several different authors). Bharata ascribed a divine origin to drama and considered it to be a fifth Veda. The Natyashastra primarily deals with theatre, dance & musical performance. According to the Natyashastra, the major purpose of dance, drama, ritual and poetry is catalytic in that aesthetic performance should provoke an emotion that is already present in members of the audience. The various elements of a performance combine to create a sympathetic response in those who experience them. Moreover, a member of the audience who has cultivated his or her own aesthetic response may experience a transformation of their own emotion into a purely aesthetic, transcendental feeling – an experience of divine bliss. This is the transformation of Bhava (“mood”) into its essence – Rasa. (NB: A scholar or connoisseur is sometimes referred to as a rasika).

---A scholar or ''connoisseur'' is sometimes referred to as a'' rasika''

yes, he discovers the value and enjoys more, in turn inspires the artist

digging deeper into the topic and making it more philosophical !

12 whether self realization , mukthi leads one to become of ''even vision, unpurturbed, unmoved, unaffected, untouched by rasas effect

13 krishna, ''the one yogastha '', excelled in which of the rasas more?

14 ,his way of '' not fighting the battle himself, but causing arjun to fight '' comes under what rasas, if at all ?

15, are rasas characteristic / specific to varnas, brahmana, kshathriya, vaisya, shoodra

16 are rasas characteristic / specific to male , female,

17 whether animals birds have rasanubhoothi or not?, they live in which rasas primarily

  human birth is the free gift , god has gifted the universe to each one of us along with life, and a limited longevity

2 but how much we make use of it , he has left to us , with a definite package of wisdom 

3 this wisdom can be enhanced to unlimited extent to expand the range of our command

4 a few are able to command enormously and majority others remain as foot soldiers with very limited abilities 

5 guru guides , one rises in command, what is the limit ?
no limits in fact , 

6 the ultimate height is to be the commander of the universe, vishvanath, jagannath, lokanath, prabhu, [not just names, these are meant to be actualized in life, that is why such names, indicating the possibility and the goal of existence

7 this ability is possible, on the basis of one becoming a gnanamurthi, a know-all in one life time .

when he knows all, the laws of nature are just open book to him, from inside, not from outside
 

8 outside books are helpful to the extent of providing the language/medium to transact with all in the universe clearly unambiguously

9 the real, true, authentic knowledge of all the laws of nature comes from within , which he may express in book or speech, his words will be flawless, universal, true, these revelations are the essential part of inner knowledge , and this knowledge gets internally updated every moment as the whole universe is updating itself each moment , hence will not become obsolete

10 and such a person is able to impart that precious knowledge to others as per need and eligibility, and thereby commands the authority on the teaching of the total knowledge, and hence he raises to be a jagadguru 

11 those who come in to this path of raising their wisdom similarly start progressing , and start to acquire the ability to read their inner script , will be self sufficient, masters, and will not be wanting in any of the spiritual glories , not needing to look outside for any help. 

12 these abilities will not come overnight, but gradually in proportion with their spiritual assignments prescribed by guru.
 

13, so we find different levels of such aspirants with greater or lesser abilities around , mostly they will be in the process of trekking the path towards perfection .

14 if we come across any such aspirants, we need not be in haste in concluding either -that he is perfect or he is ignorant . he will be at some stage, difficult to assess exactly how much .

15 if one interacts sufficiently with such aspirant , one comes to know the reality of his level at least approximately 
 

16,but world is in a hurry, it is quick to conclude what ever, with scanty stray encounters and assign a label to him , and miss / skip any possible benefit from such individuals 
 

17 or over estimate to his embarasment,/ harassment and expect him to marvel them with miracles which he is yet to learn to perform, and he not doing it, they start ridiculing and discounting

18 they see trivialities, tv cinema news papers and spend the life wastefully , thus world will be left steeped in ignorance ad theere by in problems 

19, once a while great writers start speculating and write for money name fame popularity and general public statrts devouring what they dole out , and start parrotting their words as quotes blogs etc, knowing not that what their stuff learnt is not authentic but half cooked

20 we , so conclude wrong hypotheses such as -- the love is the basis of spirituality , neither knowing what love is, nor how it generates nor how it happens in life . it is not their fault 

they repeat what ''great'' thinkers have written in ''big'' books .
it is unfortunate , added to this the secondary readers advance their own opinions , with no regard to truth / precision 
and wrong practices of pretensions of love happen , with never reaching true great heights of spirituality

This takes me to another story of glow worms and monkeys A small episode in pancha thanthra , the great, moral teaching classic for children 

During a winter night, three monkeys caught hold of a glow worm 
(it glows in the night, I don’t know its name in English), 
kept it in middle and some dry leaves on it 
and started blowing it,
with a hope that it will end up in a flame 
and they can become warmer.

A crow sitting on a branch of a tree nearby watching the complete action 
advised the monkeys that “it is only a glow worm and no fire can be made” 
by blowing repeatedly. 

The moneys looked at the crow ferociously and started blowing again.

When the monkeys tired of the action, 
the crow advised them once again about the futility of blowing. 
The three monkeys looked at each other and caught hold of the crow 
and killed it by ripping its body open.

this is the fate of a a wise person teaching truth to the ignorant believers 

neither can they understand nor are ready to receive the true knowlege.
i observed that when i pointed out certain needed correction s in a half baked blog by a master here, the sincere followers attacked me saying i am arrogant , and master only is right .
i just felt pity for them , they are the losers, i lost nothing 

so popularity is not the measure to assess the truth , truth to be confirmed by its own standard 
only gem experts know , not all, the value of gems

raj

naraaj

ithraaj

Namaj

aaj

laaj

saaj

aavaaj

samaj   

naa samaj   

wire gause     

 amaze  

 damage

 homage 

 rampage 

dage

Age

Page

Gage

Wage

Sage 

Rage

Image

Luggage

Engage

Language

Marriage

Mortgage

Manage

Village

Milage

Baggage

Cage

my pc started abusing me

 

  Surrender  more

,n his athmastakam adishankara is more clear on the aspect of surrender in his assertion of ''shivoham shivoham'' .all individual wills being the manifestations of the same one supreme divine will ,they are its own mediums, a result of supreme manifesting as infinite individual wills. hence are not separate from supreme divinity, so all individuals must allow their individual wills to prevail and function free, without any of the bondages and bindings, inhibitions and suppressions, hesitations and questions, in the name of surrender to supreme. as there is none other than oneself to whom one can surrender . so there is no surrender, what ever one does is all supreme's doing himself none other , shivakevaloham, shivo jeevo, jeevo shivo , the non dual, one unity , the supreme divinity

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Gratitude. ....for appreciating n kind words....:-) ....SAB DHARM CHHORH MERI SHARAN AAJAA. ....JAI SHRI KRISHN. ... PRANAV KO PRANAM OM OM OMREPLY  Like  Report Offensive Block this user

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Sri, you probably did not catch my point

i am re-emphasizing, ---there is no need of any sharan or surrender to any one else

since there is only one , no one else

when no one else is there how can one surrender at all

or to whom one can surrender,

is it possible?

is it necessary?

a leaf cannot surrender to tree, there is no need . it cannot .

since leaf is part of , and integral with tree,

there is no separation with tree, it is tree itself

since tree is all leafs, tree exists as leaf

if you remove leaf, cut it off , again leaf comes ,

since tree itself is leaf, tree is manifesting as leaf again and again

question of surrender does not arise

so this concept of surrender is absurdity, am i clear madam ?REPLYDELETE  Like 

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Ok. ..love n light. ....PRANAM OM OM OMREPLY  Like  Report Offensive Block this user

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All individual wills being the manifestations of the same one supreme divine will

,they are its own mediums,

a result of supreme manifesting as infinite individual wills.

hence are not separate from supreme divinity,

---------------kindly note this point , very important for personality growth of followers , not to become weak, in the name of surrender, nor to pass the buck to god----------------

so all individuals must allow their individual wills to prevail and function free,

without any of the bondages and bindings,

inhibitions and suppressions,

hesitations and questions,

in the name of surrender to supreme.

as there is none other than oneself

to whom one can surrender .

so there is no surrender,

one is responsible for his actions, no escape routes nor excuses, and he must continue to grow with healthy values to supreme level, to the level of master of universe,

but

not remain as ''yours humble obedient servant '', demeaning, denigrating, belittling oneself on his own self

surrender makes the man a timid, weak, useless , irresponsible, escapist in the name of god

this is a great caution

 Let's grow up stop being communal and let's ask simple questions like  .To discuss about God 

the first condition is purity of mind,heart and being.

How to practice all knowing God?

How to establish a direct Talking with God?

How to clearly see God?

How to practice omnipotent God?

How to practice omniscient God?

How to practice almighty God?

How to practice there is nothing but God?

How to practice it is always between you and God?

How to practice a all seeing God?

How to practice the only provider is God?

How to know God has loved you?

How to practice all the ways of love you have learned with God?

If you have been practicing and have experienced Good results for your practice please discuss.

Zidhar dekhu udhaar uski hee tasvir nazaar aathi hai.

isiko kaisey patthar maaru kaun paraya hai?

sheeshmahal mein ek ek chehra apna lagta hai

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Sandesh Saboo achaa soncho

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Vasanth Rv all conflicts including communal /religious/racial/regional are due to one single reason of not knowing the simplest truth on god ........and once the truth is known, the conflicts just vanish without a trace, exactly like how the darkness goes away at dawn

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Sandesh Saboo know thy self.Reach to self actualisation,reach to God realisation.

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Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo human is equipped with ''mind'' for this purpose , but with double edged........manam eva manushyanaam ...bandha moksha kaaranam .........wise saints used for god realiation and adiced us accordingly

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Vasanth Rv when truth is known thru direct experience,..all the essential FAQ's on how to lead a life in the best wisdom without problems and suffering ..will get answered from within , without the need of reading/ listening scriptural messages

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Sandesh Saboo Exactly cause if you read something which you do not practice and have faith that is useless.

Knowing needs to be practiced.

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Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo great teachers expressed from heightened consciousness...............unless they gain that level of consciousness thru own sadhana ..followers can never get full import faith or no faith ......just .teachings ...become useless or even harmful .....cannot be practiced ..........

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Manas Das "How to practice all the ways of love you have learned with God?"... the world is becoming madwith anger and hate......

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Sandesh Saboo Just one more push and anger and hate becomes love.

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Manas Das people are angry saying the same thing.....

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Sandesh Saboo Just one more nudge.or one more jhaphi.

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Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo love is the first automatic result of the experience of ''unity ''with god, then all in the universe become one's loving kith and kin ..............without god realizatoion all other love is just conditional/partial/sensory/illusion/short lived

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Sandesh Saboo That is the point of all the questions.Experience.

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Kakoli Sinha Beautiful sharing. Pranam

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Vasanth Rv as the mind experiences the ultimate level of transcendental consciousness beyond mind, in the state of samadhi, the purity of mind,heart and being.start growing , ie thrikaran shudhi process gets triggered, ...as the purity grows thru intense sadhana of meditation , all glories start blossoming

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Sandesh Saboo infinite ways.

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Sandesh Saboo God is beyond consciouness.Anti consciiusness can also be practiced.God is beyond consciiusness and anti consciusness.

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Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo fully agreed on essence, only our terminology is differing giving rise to exchange of so many perceptions

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Vasanth Rv 1.and 5 ...How to practice all knowing /omniscient.God?..............................................there are two extremes... without guru, answers are impossible to know , but with sadhana with guru guidance, answers get revealed instantly easily, spontaneously from within .....so ....1... one starts to live all knowing omniscient god , he becomes a gyan murthi

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Sandesh Saboo When the student is ready God arrives as guru.

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Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo yes, student is ready at adolescent age asking/seeking/wondering/inquisitive on the life and its workings , right time for getting initiated into sadhana with upanayana sanskar, lucky are those who goes thru it....if missed, life long one remains searching till death...any time is ok to receive guru , god is present as guru parampara from long past to living present times

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Sandesh Saboo The one within is the guru he makes his presence felt When the student is ready.

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Sandesh Saboo supoose the teacher says God is great.Till your God within does not want you to understand that he will keep you opposing this very sentence.

The mullha from masidh loud speaker says God is great.This very sentence is disturbing crores across the World.Why?The innerself has not become sure you can understand greatness of God.

We need the permission of inner one even to accept simple statement as God is great.

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Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo external guru is like a match stick, just lights up /awakens the inside guru ...................this lighting up can happen by any or many ways including none, just incidental

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Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo some one teaching God is great etc will not just work, unless one is guided to experience what is /who is /where is god .that is why such utterances lose meaning , and becomes a formality ......some times to bigotry, slavery, ..with consequent suffering

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Vasanth Rv 2.and 8.How to establish a direct Talking with God?...How to practice it is always between you and God?.....first , to start with, a momentary glance is revealed, as the sadhana proceeds, the connectivity becomes more and more stable and strong and a dialog is established as if ..kishan is guiding arjun ...one's self guides itself ...that is called self referral, atma samvaad

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Vasanth Rv 3..How to clearly see God?....experiencing the ''pure consciousness'' in samadhi is the ''clear , transparent , unmanifest formless nameless god with all the infinite mahimas ...as the practice grows clarity grows and duration too grows from a few moments to a few minutes to a few hours to finally all time ....any form of god is a part of this totality , can be experienced with particual relevant manthras

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Sandesh Saboo Do you rule out the infinite forms is also God?

Do you rule out God has infinite names?

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Vasanth Rv every form is his form ,every name is his name including yours and mine, and of any plant ,ant, elephant, stone, river, sky, stars, all...nothing excluded ......this is on overall level..............but some names and forms are special, containing ''concentrated mahimas of different types , ...33 crore gods ../33 types of gods .....................one point ..to be noted is a devatha is one of the several laws of nature that is governing the universe.....seers can cognize and record these, as revealed from deep tapasya/sadhana

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Vasanth Rv 4,and 6....,How to practice omnipotent /almighty God?.......simple, as the sadhana of god realization advances, nature starts cooperating, one's wishes get fulfilled just by withing , as if god is serving as aservant obeying his commands ...yateenaam brahma bhavathi saarathi ...this becomes a living reality.......one will be able to accomplish the impossible without himself doing but just desiring to do it thru his sankalpa bala

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Sandesh Saboo What if God does exact opposite of what you wish?God will only send what is Good for you despite you wishing what is not Good for you.

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Sandesh Saboo what is will power?What all it needs to execute it self?

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Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo agreed,perfectly said........point to be noted is that in the higher state wishes become sublime, universal, life supporting, one will not feel like wising hamful...............if one is at lower level, such bad wishes if any may get materialized, but god has a way of using negative wishes for positive long term purpose .....bhasmasur example clarifies

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Vasanth Rv at edic level of life one's aspirations become totally aligned with over all function...sarve jana sukhino.....samastha loka ...etc will be his natural wish and reality of his life

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Sandesh Saboo what is good for and according to you may be actually bad for others.

My mom is kind of partial in loving her grand children her love has become poision for the same child.Others start to make that guy a victim.A love of a unwise can hurt you.A spank from a wise can save you....See More

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Sandesh Saboo vasanth have a perfect balance.Think of sarva jana sukhino do not forget to include your name in the list.

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Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo will power 1..on mental level is like tapasya at the begining, like taking vow and adhering against all odds it is tight rope walk , a determination to accomplish and willingness/readiness to undergo difficulties and then coming out with...See More

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Sandesh Saboo Sidhi means perfection.

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Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo Sidhi means perfection, sidha means perfect ie he has the highest purity level, perfectly synchronized thinking talking doing and in tune with environ

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Vasanth Rv 7..How to practice there is nothing but God?..........simple, once the unmanifest aspect is mastered thru sadhana, the vision of one becomes refined to see the all pervading consciousness in the manifest universe.....he rises in his seeing ability to see te reality of ''anor anian mahatho mahiyan ....he sees his silent presence...his all pervading presence in smallest to the biggest ..

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Sandesh Saboo What is seen and what is unseen?

what is seeable and what is not seeable?

what is conditioned vision?

What is unconditioned vision?

What is clear vision?

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Vasanth Rv ...7.1....What is seen and what is unseen?what is seeable and what is not seeable?.........the laws of nature, or the constitution of the universe that underlies the functioning of universe in a systematic manner is the unseen aspect of the reality ........the visible universe with all its activity and noise , movement etc is the seen aspect, since it is perceptible by senses............but in rishi's tapasya the laws of nature becomes known ...also in scientists'discoveries some laws come to be known

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Vasanth Rv ....7.2.....what is conditioned vision?

What is unconditioned vision?

What is clear vision?.............................every experience/input leaves some marks in the memory, when one sees a thing his memory associates that new input with old input and this mix is the conditioned vision ....political agendas/religious indoctrination, parental/societal impositions /books/talks all distorts the simple direct perception, ie conditions the mind /conditions the vision...., it is debris.....accumulated continuously.....to eliminate this and clear the mind/ vision, what is advised is thrikal sandhya vandan, ie meditation where in one experiences pure consciousness clearing the debris day to day ........also periodically intense long duration practice of meditation is meant for accelerated cleaning and keeping it clear.............and after sadhana matures, this state of pure vision prevails permanently along with rich organized memory accessible at will

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Vasanth Rv 9...How to practice a all seeing God?.....since human is partial god, he has ability to see ...but thru 5 senses of perceptions, eyes etc...so human is in a way all seeing but with two limitations...1 range,...he can see only so far and not more, so wide but no more , 2.. that too in only in waking state .....in sleeping state he cannot see, also if eyes closed,cannot see ............but in the state of samadhi it is a different kind of seeing ......senses are inactive, mind atrest, but one is alert, aware, his is pure awareness, boundless, it is knowing , it is knowing ness ...it is being ........he is one with the eternal one continuum of universal existence, just a seer in this state one experiences the state of ''all seeing god ......... .if samadhi is stabilized, he can also ''see '' his own deep sleep and witness the dream also will know that heis sleeping/dreaming m, can wake himself up if wishes ...........laws of nature are ''ever seeing'' ...devathas are ''non blinking, ...animesha ......when seer knows that universe is running by the ever alert vigilent laws of nature, he becomes 'all seeing god

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Vasanth Rv 10..How to practice the only provider is God?..............it is obvious that every living creature micro organism to highest evolved homosap , requiring food/nourishment/air /water/ protection/ and perpetuation are all living /surviving growing evolving without some body giving food etc , even new born is supplied with needed nourishment , even while in the womb, and with mother milk, jungles are growing , no gardener is watering, all is from the one source sath, ie energy god is anna poorna .once we see this arrangement of nature, we can conclude that god is that provider behind the scene

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Vasanth Rv 12..How to know God has loved you?......since god is love, and since love is ''myness'' mamatha, the love of god is there unasked , felt or not felt ...the principle of ''matha'' exists in all jeevas ...ya devi sarva bhooteshu....maathru rupena samsthitha......not one mother, all pranis have a mother , mother is always a loving mother the very fact that mother is taking every care proves that god 's love has come to us inthe form of mother

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Vasanth Rv 13...spirituality is not a intellectual exercise, can be fathomed only thru practice, and surely unmistakably getting at the ''truth''...if not it is just a play of words or a game of egos .......self realization or god realization is surely a worthy goal in life, all fulfilling, deserves the best priority ...once the goal is reached, then life becomes an enchanting art, a sweet song and a delightful dance , an all loving existence, happiness unending ...of course there are stages /levels of attainments , but journey is most rewarding in every sense.............and all conflicts /fights are due to ignorance and there is no other solution than the single most effective root level solution of god realization

Vasanth Rv 14..'''let's grow up ''''...............what is growth??..... ..spiritual growth is true growth

all the rest is mere froth

as spititual growth happens,one is born again,

as a child, with a slate clean, with a mind a mirror

navo navo bhavathi is the nature of creative intelligence

renders one grow in the ability of finding new ways, new perceptions, more play,

burden of experiences off-loaded instantly as if a line drawn on water, gets deleted, automatically

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Vasanth Rv 15....Who sent this sentence to you and Why?.............god comes in many ways for many purposes to each individual for chosen purposes to teach/to test/to awaken/to guide/to chide/....all towards taking one from present level to a higher level, this happens till one reaches perfection in every endeavor...lucky are those who make the best use of every opportunity, profound or trivial

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Vasanth Rv 16..become divine to experience divine''............since truth has infinite facets, truth can be known by being truth, true ''knowing'' happens only thru ''being''......since divine is of infinite stature, divine can be known by experiencing/being divine....just knowing from other sources is not help,, even saannidhyam /nearness is not enough.....saayujyam/ unity /oneness is essential

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Vasanth Rv 17....thvameva sarvam mama deva deva.............what ever sustaining me/managing me from birth to death and ever after, till final liberation and kaivalya prapthi is all the love and grace of god, including good bad .pleasant unpleasant, painful pleasurable, including every breath , every heart beat

18..in the spirituality it is always ........''and''...''both''...''all''.....''whole''.....''all including''.....''it is yes and no''.....''simultaneity''.....''concurrently''....''parallel''...and ''serial''...''localized ''and ''spread''...............See More

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19 ..awareness/chethana.....has levels... shushupthi, swapna, jagruth .................and 4 th , ie thureeya human is blessed with capability to ascend to thureeya...which is the most essential and most worthy gain in life.it is the pass port to divine life and devlok , without it life is wasted despite all other great accomplishments in life............Ek saadhe sub saadhe is a phrase.....is referring to this 

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Vasanth Rv 20....rest and activity are the two steps of progress.........deeper the rest more dynamic the activity will be ,,,,,,withdrawal is for recharging oneself .....ie ''being''..to get energized ...................being is the basis of thinking,........ thinking is the basis of action....,''engagement'' in action is the basis of achievement.......achievement is the basis of fulfillment................................levels ,high, low etc are word play it is a fact of life that growth is having a progression from seed to tree to seed ..... high can be new low .yes ..tree to seed

  Art and science  1 are two together

Ultimate of science is to become ''all knowing '', omniscient

ultimate of art is to become '' all capable'', omnipotent

-----art n science together both for joy

Misery is due to ignorance

 gyani is always happy 

 

 YogaratovA bhogaratovA

 sangaratovA sanghavihiinaH|

 yadat brahmani ramate chettam

 nandati nadati nandatyeva||

Art n science together for producing maximum happiness with minimum energy , without wasting ,

for doing less accomplishing more

Science is to know 

 art is to create

Best creation happens in bliss

 anando brahma

''a science is an investigation by means of repeatable experiment to gain useful and testable knowledge'' ----maharishi 

 ''a science is a systematized body of knowledge ''-------usual definition

 knowledge has innumerable branches , each branch with gross and subtle levels

All for generating joy ultimately

Krishna is expert in 64 arts

 

 gita is a great artistic creation, as well as a great science of life 

 

 he presented a comprehensive vision of science technology and art in simplest words 

 

 science is to be ''yogastha'', ie to be come knowledgeable

 

 technology is to ''kuru karmani '' ie to device ways and means of doing the work

 

 art is to ''karma sukaushalam'' , to be performing skillfully , with total mastery on science technology and art of life

Deeper the ocean, stronger, higher and wilder is the rise of the wave

Basis for every artistic creation is the thorough understanding of laws of nature , ie science

A musical composition is created, 

 but expressed thru a musical instruments like sitar tampura tabala etc which are designed and created with best knowledge of science on relevant materials and processes of design and manufacture , finishing, tuning, upkeep, repair maintenance

Basis for every artistic creation is the thorough understanding of laws of nature , ie science

Science is a march knowing laws from gross to subtle and beyond , it is essentially inward march

 art is a march creating master pieces of art , using the basic raw material , ie laws of nature

Art of music is a technique of healing 

 ie music therapy , gandharva veda details

Gandharva veda is the scientific structure of the art of music producing the most beneficial effects on the individual and environ and the universe, , defining the time and raagas scientifically

God is a great scientist and a great artist of life , master of universe, jagannath

Science is analysis

 art is synthesis

Spirituality is both science and art

By realizing the Supreme Reality , it is possible to synthesize science, art, culture, religion and spirituality for the common goal of universal joy and well being

By knowing the ultimate science, one can create a universe of his choice 

 artists dwell in their created art universe

We must know science of being 

 then possible to cultivate art of living

Sa re ga ma is science of music

 a raaga is artistic out put

In the ultimate zoom out level , all will be superbly ok and beautiful 

 hence arjun was asked to view situation in the ultimate zoom out, ie vishva roop , total perspective..

Science is factual on the cause and effect

 superstition is assumption on the cause and effect

Connoisseur is a provocateur

 wisdom =knowledge+intelligence

 knowledge without intelligence misleads 

 intelligence is the basic quality of existence exemplified by the order and purpose of change

Naishkarmyam is the best karma

''Similarities between art and science''

 --rather complementarily, prakrithi and purusha

 art is creation prakrithi, science is knowledge, purusha

''of beauty and creativity...''

 beauty has a lot of science behind it , principles of aesthetics , saundarya shashthra 

 creativity sprouts from knowledge , inner knowledge 

 deeper the artist, more creative he is , more beautiful his creation 

 more of ''sathyam shivam sundaram''

''.even science creates some objects for the benefit or convenience of humanity.''

 --every impulse of creation, artistic/ technological is towards producing more and more joy , towards, ultimate bliss

Music is a art medium 

 but it has the detailed sangeeth shastra behind it 

 every art has a science basis

''but it is the limitless human artistic mind'' sees some insights, some inner beauty, inner chunk of knowledge , and wants to share the findings and the joy of discoveries with one and all , and so '' creates wonders using some science.'' creates/ selects a medium to express the mysteries experienced in the known /unknown language/idiom , and tries to do it with the best of his abilities yet , he may succeed in giving just a glimpse/ a lead of the vision , since the abstract experiences cannot be expressed fully /clearly by any means, these must be experienced directly

 however such leads/ suggestions may click that rare experiences in a few lucky receivers 

 and they reach the source of that mystery within , like the givers inner source

 some writings take one to their own inner depths 

 for some others it's just a casual reading

In various matters of life there remains a combination of science and art

----since, human personality is a total package 

 consisting of all the infinite components,

 each individual is a scientist, an artist, a seer, a poet , a dancer, a singer, a god, a devil, a dr jekil, a mr hide ---all coexisting , but some get activated , some remain dormant as per occasion, context, need, cause etc

Also for the same inputs, different individuals respond in different ways

for example, if one hears a song, a recitation of a poem, audience responds differently , some become fans, some just listen and forget

 also, for the same inputs, the same individual responds differently depending on the situation/ internal or external conditions 

 for example if a movie is seen, first time it will be exciting , likable, but if seen again it may not be that appealing

And when a song is heard, an individual responds in multi-modes, 

 the scientist in him sees the sa re ga ma aspect of it and nodes at the precision displayed

 the poet in him looks at the lyric/ the bhava /meaning and says wah 

 the mystique in him enjoys the song , forgetting the earthly plane for a while 

 the critic / the intellectual in him evaluates the song / rates/ classifies/ appraises

 

 all these processes happen in a synthesized manner, some aspects dominating, some other aspects subdued

 there will not be a situation when art alone is seen or science alone is appreciated, 

 it is a contextual mixed response

The scientist in us 

 after reaching the goal truth, [vedanta ] , ie sathyam

 awakens the artist in us, 

 who starts creating sub-truths,ie ,the veda / vedic richas, 

 ie the retail packages of knowledge ,and contextual creations,

 

 ie upanishads, upakhyanas, kaavyaas , ,udanthas, puranas,

 prabandhas, epics, dramas, stories, novels, essays, literature, 

 sculpture, paintings,

 ,gods, temples, structures, customs, systems, traditions, 

 

 along with goodies, necessities, comforts luxuries

 ---all to bring heavenly existence on earth , in detail, 

 purposeful, useful, need based, result oriented, 

 creates a new civilization , obsoleting the worn out , 

 updating the times to the present moment

The scientist Einstein tearing off the veil of jagath mithya

 peeped into the field of brahma sathyam , 

 unifying the matter and energy with his equation E=m c squared 

 the artist tagore created master pieces, by stretching his existence beyond the visible, local, mundane 

 blessed are the scientists and artists, they did inherit the heavens

Science reveals truth, uncovering layer by layer progressively , it says ''pot is mud'' 

 it removes all illusions, it frees 

 

 art hides truth, art is maya ,it says ''there is no mud, it is a beautiful, colorful , round pot ,, ''

 in the charm of shape, size, color, texture, design, embellishment of the pot , the truth of mud is obscured/covered/

 

 science says what is actual truth

 art distorts , deshapes, flattens, enlarges, elongates, paints, and hides what is there actually 

 art shows some thing that is not there

 it creates a illusion

 it deludes, lures, deceives, entices, enslaves, binds, limits in time space frame

"Art is the lie that enables us to realize the truth." - Pablo Picasso said