raise yourselves to a state where your universe functions
so perfectly and so automatically that you do not have to intervene, your will
gets implemented as the supreme commandment , you being in a state of
naishkarmya sidhi
All the participants in the universe universe,
speaking tree are the reflections of my own infinite personalities that i
am
it is sharing of joy to be '' my self
conversing myself ''
''self moving in itself governs the universe''
the effect is subtle, imperceptible, yet this
joy harmonizes the whole universe , frees it from every distortion , in some
measure , ''task is done without my doing''
my self conversing with myself ''
it is the self referral, most powerful
There is a level of truth which is the basis of all ''Dharma Principles,
Philosophies, Tradition, Culture, Value System etc.'' that level of existence is
beyond all these
once that level is attained these become just
elementary lessons ,
the purpose of life is to move steadfastly
towards that level, come what may, and reach that level first.
in that level life gets aligned with the one
universal dharma and life becomes just innocent play filled with love and
bliss, enjoying in life the reality of
''sahanaavavathu sahanau bhunakthu
sahaveeryam karavaavahai
tejaswinavadheetha masthu
maa vidvishavahai
om shanthi shanthi shanthi ''Yes, i too do not
mean to negate material world.
but to gain the ability to engage in conscious
decisions and actions while being in material world. , he asked to rise in
higher consciousness, ''nishthraigunyo bhava'' It also means, achieve the most
in all the 4 varnas in life which is dharma, artha, kaama and moksha.., but key
is to be '' nitya sathvastho niryogakshemamamaathmavaan ''
Best one can do is to rise to infinite potential , it is first priority, once that is done , any undertaking gets accomplished infallibly
for that one has to unscrupulously
re-prioritize once tasks , without waiting for any thing or any one
the first thing to be defended and preserved
against all ''under use'', ''over use'' ,''misuse'', ''abuse'' ,''unuse'' is
our most precious time, efforts, attention, and resources., not to fall into
any trap and dissipate / dilute unnecessarily
Essence of krishnas teaching is ''become yogastha'' |
|
We must raise ourselves to that
level of divinity where there will not be a need to fight at all. |
My simplest question , to any one,.. ''did you get
enlightenment or not ??''
in life , for each and every individual, the
foremost priority is to get enlightened,
let the world be the way it is ,
cleaning to start from inside ,
without it, any amount of trying to clean
outside will be unwise,
life is precious, time is limited
If some considers that he has some ''goods'' he has
infinite choices to pass on them to the world , one can donate, exchange, sell,
make a living out of it, he can also do aggressive salesmanship, offer free
gifts, discounts, door to door marketing, advertise, or cheating on poor
quality, or push though it though obsolete outdated and even see that other
fellow does not come in his way by any of means fair or foul, all knowingly or
innocently or by compulsion
he may denigrate with loudmouth that others
goods are inferior , though of superior quality .
finally the consumer is the ultimate factor in
deciding the real worth, though he may enjoy the fun for a while
time proves , sathyam eva jayathe
Brahman has unfathomable depth , level ranging from surface
to the utmost bottom [ sath ] like in an ocean.
vipra bahuda vadanthi because their
penetration / diving is also upto a depth different for different vipra, not
ultimate
but every vipra who did a kinchit depth can
cognize and express that kinchit of the total truth
they need to reach the ultimate to express the
totality
dishes are never the same
but essential ingredients are same and
proportion and way of serving is different
also not all dishes may contain all
ingredients ,
for the one who has tasted the ultimate best
dish , other lesser dishes will become superfluous, even lacking in adequate
taste
not every one knows the full art of cookery,
total ingredients, right process, proper proportions
and since ''loko bhinna ruchih'' their are
likes, dislikes, addicts ,and sharing, eulogizing, to the degree of fanaticism,
like veg hating non veg and vice versa , and emergence of different cook books
/ recipes,/ menu cards / and restaurants and star hotels and simultaneously the
road side eateries
one has to taste samples and skip till one
discovers the best dish
this exploration has to continue, so
continues....
This is really the bottom line......'' many of our Indians
are so confused that they don't know what they are up to some times....''.
Reason is simple. ours being rushi sanskruthi
, all our wisdom that is there in vedas , upanishaths, puranas, kaavyaas
itihaasas and the traditions, systems, customs, rituals, entire way of life and
the value system ,had the basis of deep tapasya , and the lineage of guru
parampara.
down the passage of times, this basis /
foundation , ie tapasya got lost, teaching lost the purity , and what remains
is just rubble after collapse , of the magnanimous edifice .
we are just picking the ruins dusting them and
polishing them to the best of our abilities , but any such effort is just
''some thing is better than nothing '', but it is insignificant in renovating
what is lost
so it's absolutely essential for indians to
pick up exactly what is lost, ....that is tapasya ....and automatically india
will rise to its pristine glory.
if not we are bound to be in endless ''grope
in darkness
I am able to understand that you have great grasp, my best
regards to you
1 it's not the fault of scientist if his
findings were misused for destructive purposes.by some
it's not the fault of jesus/ prophet if
followers misunderstood and trekked a wrong track as a result
2 my rating of spiritual seers/ masters is
based on my own ability too ''see thru''
even i find some English poets / writers too
have glimpsed and expressed most valuable '' vedic truths '' in their own
language and idioms and metaphors
they stood the test of times , endured
i see both jesus and mohammed did experience that ultimate
level , the light of brahman at least a glimpse of it, and they tend to be
''advaitic, '', in their expression, this state can be proved by the proper
grasp of their utterances
we need not agree , rather we cannot agree
fully due to inevitability of our individual perspectives , thank you
Pranams to jesus with all respect , he uttered truths
fantastic, i love
but misunderstanding abounds
'' the blood of jesus washes every sin
''
not the red corpuscular blood , but the true
meaning is '' knowledge is the greatest purifier , it tallies with vedic,
''gyanaagni ''
where is the lucuna
not with jesus, but in understanding jesus by
followers
Ultimately , it is the receiver to digest and make use of
the goods received, in what ever best package they are supplied.
if the goods do not serve , only package
though very nice, will not help
as long as one maintains ''exclusive''
posture, one is himself the loser,
and it is difficult to make them open up to ''
all inclusive'' infinite possibilities.
and time only will rectify this situation ,
not possible by human effort
the problem arises when one tries to apply a truth of only
one level to every situation .
one seer says '' aham brahmasmi'' as a result of his tapasya , and
lives a life of pure love towards all
but will not insist that every one must live like that in as is state,
since it 's just fallacious
but the followers without reaching that state , if try to imbibe
it it leads to confusion, since that truth is not applicable in their
situation, they will not be able to experience that pure love, and any amount
of effort to display love will not work
and most of the time they try to teach others what they have not
themselves understood rightly .
and when that does not sell, they resort to aggressive measures even
violence, branding others as non believers , and try to finish them
so one must be careful in learning the right ways and to a level of
perfection that his utterances will become just truth and no less, not needing
the sales effort
that is why ''half knowledge is dangerous''
and ''half truth is a full lie''
Jesus and christianity are different, jesus said i am the
way the truth and the life'' he meant in fact aham brahmasmi '' in saying ''i
am '', the universal , brahman,
but ''i am'' was understood as '' he is '', ie
as ''jesus is the way.........'' by followers and christianity , making it
person specific, losing its universality
Inevitably unavoidably each seer invariably adds a specific flavor to the same essentially ingredients ., since one is bound by localization of time, geo ,context, language, and that adds beauty , variety, novelty , richness and hence a value , makes likable by a few
Inevitably unavoidably each seer invariably adds a specific flavor to the same essentially ingredients ., since one is bound by localization of time, geo ,context, language, and that adds beauty , variety, novelty , richness and hence a value , makes likable by a few
Even prophet Mohammed's utterances and those of jesus
christ tare to be really understood by the most sincere followers/ believers ,
since these great men tend to be nearing to advaitic
if the followers succeed in getting their
message right, they will accept other utterances without difficulty , in fact
they will be pleased to find them universal
since understanding is inadequate it drives
one to be dogmatic , in closed mind , thus losing the infinite opportunities to
explore more and expand unlimitedly . what is more they end up stagnating
similar dangers exist in cults in hinduism,
like krishna, etc as their ista
one has to realize that ista is a gate way ,
not a closed temple
thank you , for a thoughtful response , i like
your concern
This my response with shankara's reference above is with
reference to your statement ..... "Don't worship other God's"- This
gives a sense of arrogant posture which is common to Abrahamic Traditions.''
i do not treat it as ''of arrogant posture ''
since
when a person gets to know a thing beyond a
spec of doubt, which provides him the best clue for all the mysteries of life,
he/ she tends to affirm/ assert that thing and recommends that in preference to
what he/ she had known . and it gives a feeling of ''arrogance, or ego , rude,
impolite, intruding on the receivers ''firm'' belief system or expectation on
courteous behaviour/ talk
the knower says ''aham brahmasmi'', and also
''ayam atma brahma'' irrespective of whether these are acceptable or not or understood
or not
sanskrit is a '' vertical language ''
expressions having imports ranging from grossest to the subtlest, depending on
the ability of the reader and writer
Even shankara said ''dont do''
in ''gabheere kaasare vishathi vijane ghoravipine
vishale shaileshu bhramathi kusumartham
jadamathi ..
his is ''shiva manasa puja.....'',
not the elaborate ''physically doing the
ritual
he also said ''dont do ''
in '' nahi nahi rakshathi dukrun karani
budha said ''do not'' follow any one, even jk
too
such '' dont do'' strictures are out of one's
findings ,
which are true to oneself,
and just sharing out of their concern for
others,
in the hope that others also will ''rise''
similarly ,
but may not suit all others , at all
times
it is the nature of nature to send out new
saints, sages,
swamies, babas, gurus, prophets,
visionaries,
of all levels as per its own design from time
to time
to guide the humans as much as possible
according to their grasping abilities
this continues till every one rises to the
level of supreme truth
THE ONE which is supreme intelligence, and supreme
knowledge ,
by its own will, by its own reason has become
MANY ,
with many many levels of intelligence and
knowledge,
and each one of these is evolving to the lvel
of supreme
at its own pace, with its own abiliies
and ultimately
all these tiny many are going to bet
integrated into ONE again
in the process,
we see the display of different streams of
thoughts. approaches
religions, techniques, processes,
teachings, scriptures, strictures,
comandments, ammendments
revisits , updates,
clarifications confusions
revisions, fusions
all terrific, unique , specific,
with insights, foresights
assumptions estimates,
faiths, beliefs,
yet
struggling to rise to be universal,
useful, acceptable, respectable ,
and the process is continuous , nonstop
the cycle repeating ONE into MANY and MANY
into ONE
THE ONE tree , is complete, absolutely without confusion ,
alive, growing, flourishing, expanding ,
infinitely,
with all its roots, trunk, branches, twigs
,
leaves , flowers, fruits, seeds,
and then to a new sprout
but alas,
each individual tiny parts of the tree , a
leaf , a petal, a twig
though connected with the whole,
yet feeling its individuality,
living its own identity, a shape, a size, a
color ,
a structure, a texture
all drawing nourishment from the tree
doing its role, drying and dropping
dead,
yet the one tree continues from ages thru ages
undying, existing eternally,
alas,
each part does not know that their existence
too is eternally i
in the continuum of ''tree to seed, seed to
tree,.....''
and
the confusion, conflicts, misunderstanding,
continue
leading to exploration, investigation,
discovery,
and final reconciliation, balance,
harmony , peace, silence .
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