debates help

professionals usually participate in seminars / debates, and professional journals and explore the subject thoroughly  

also 

great masters like shankara, did enough debates and tarka to the ultimate limit ,  

however, i find mostly masters /  gurus / spiritual leaders do not talk to other masters generally

they like to talk to seekers,/ shishyas / followers, that too selectively, avoiding the smart and intelligent questions ,

they either escape cleverly such '' arrogant hecklers'', 

mainly for fear of exposure of their hollowness in hallow , 

built on the foundation of ignorance / innocence of  gullible masses,

they never really give a clear definite scientific logical response, simply uttering  some vague words for which they themselves are not sure, 

and finally they tend to pass the buck on god whom they do not know.

all this must end

truth wins, stands all tests, 

and just pretensions will not work

 Base is the light of

 self realization, without it things are rumors

it is like , to know engg, maths is the base

To discuss / to know engg , we must pass thru primary, high school inter, with maths, then engg degree.

like we cannot discuss engg subject deeply in a social network , higher things also need a basic qualification of initiation into a meditation process thru a qualified guide, continue the practice and do the prescribed home work, attend higher classes or advanced training, residential camps, listen to master's messages, and clarify the doubts thru sincere questioning, and attain the maturity in sadhana, and evolve in to a higher consciousness,

like engg, this subject too can’t be treated casually, and for fun.

Also any amount of reading/writing of blogs will lead us nowhere, it should lead us to a guru who only can clarify ,not alone by theory ,but ,more important, by practice and direct experience thru which ability will be gained to see things like in day light, instantly, by switching on the light.

it all depends on us how serious are we, and on what the purpose of life is otherwise it is a wasted effort resulting in no gain at the end

 earth is flat----

those who agree with me , skip this

i was reading this poem 

''తివిరి ఇసుమున తైలంబు తీయవచ్చు

తవిలి మృగతృష్ణ లో నీరు త్రాగవచ్చు

తిరిగి కుందేటి కొమ్ము సాధింప వచ్చు

చేరి మూర్ఖుని మనసు రంజింప రాదు''

may be possible

to extract oil from sand

to sip water in mirage

to fetch horn of a hare

but possible not

to enlighten an idiot

it is all very true, i thought and happily slept , and slept.

Copernicus came in my dream said ''earth is round''

i asked him ''did you see doctor'' 

he said ''he is round  stomach, round head''

I said ''check your spects ''

he said ''yes glasses are round, 

I said ''did you see play ground''

he said ''yes, i played,  foot ball  was round''

disturbed, i got up

what a fool he, i felt

but to give a benefit of doubt, i wanted to verify

i lost no time 

i checked my floor with water level, ok, it was level , flat , polished shabad flooring

i saw out side , road was flat

i walked 10 km it was of course flat 

still i pursued with a civil engineer to check with theodolite and level pole and took him to a vast wide ground 

he too confirmed it was reasonably flat but with ups downs but not curved

i travelled from hyd to delhi in train , and found that train never bent in curved shape the track was also level

i and took a flight to us, i observed carefully from plane found that earth below was perfectly plain flat 

then i took a journey to go to the edge of the earth but pilot got confused, thinking that  plane  was going straight to the edge , but his steering how he turned i did not see,   but we landed in hyd , but he missed the track , though he said that he was going in a straight line, 

i asked him whether he saw the edge of earth 

he looked at me puzzled, and in suspicion . and went

now i want to learn plane driving and go and come back and take all to the edge , but be careful you  should not fall from the edge.

i am taking all this trouble just to prove that Copernicus is not great, but he is only a great idiot, . i knew it .

i thought you also should know how an idiot thinks and works,