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atheists wont stand, they do not tread on earth, they fly free and in infinite freedom
Nama roopa mahima of devathas hide the ''reality'', they are stuck in icons images idols temples, pilgrimages,rituals
''gabheere kaasaare ,,,,,,,,
atheist has no such hindrance to reach reality
Theism is based on faith, belief, hope
Bhakti/jnan both are waking states, mind is active with thoughts and images will not lead to turia, since it is beyond thoughts
Saints are minority,
majority opinion is no validity
Leaving aside a debate on god etc, ......................one can lead a great / noble / fulfilled life full of glorious achievements/ unimaginable contributions to oneself and the world around with the experience of this turia state, and further higher states, which provide deep insights on the nature's / life's functioning and a comprehensive grip/ mastery on mysteries and enigmas , and ability to find creative solutions and skillful applications
Skill of driving and upkeep of the vehicle makes journey fast, easy safe
body mind nervous system must be refined and purified to lead a good life in think talk walk
but true spirituality is based on self realization , beyond all idol worship
My understanding is based on simple observation of a seed growing into a huge tree.............which will not happen overnight,... to wit, ....even if god wants it
it takes its own time , the process happening in acc with some principles ...........which man is trying to find out in the form of biology/ zoology etc
no god comes and saves the great devotees in accidents/ mishaps on pilgrimages to holy places
Views differ, people were saved and are being saved from accidents by alertness and wise preventive actions , yet quakes canot be prevented but seismic proof design by experts save life and property , not depending on god
Ideally, the pratimas should aid bhakti, to understand and ....own the values personified by the deity., ....and to become oneself the lining deity
ie to awaken all the inner potentialities that are enlisted in the 108 names ,,, or 1000 names, these qualities/ mahimas are contained as seeds in the stotras , once we awaken the field of consciousness , the yoga kshethra, these seeds start getting sprouted and grow ....this aspect is not known / just ignored / not understood by most of the theists, and alas, ...god continues to remains only in the temples and teeraths and statues and books and pictures
once found what god really is, one will not get stuck with labels. icons
A case needs to be made with care, not with leaps''................using the 4 survival instincts, ie ahaar nidra bhaya maithunam [[ food, sleep, security, procreation ]] with the best discretion , not hoping/praying that some god will come and redeem when things go wrong
Atheistic way of life.is based on one's best reason, known thru own learnt lessons or from others experiences, mostly person specific, the one rule is to disbelieve the assumptions that are without reason / science that one can reach
Atheist when evolves end up being a theist
theist when evolves ends up being a atheist
Individual every drop, and there by the whole society will be better if and only if they discover and realize truth, labels/approaches can be any or several, point is one should not get stuck up on superficiality
Sincerity is ..not ..everything
most sincere followers to a wrong approach will lead to ruin
followers of osama/ maoism/ etc are sincere to the core, even ready to risk/ sacrifice their life, as a human bomb
it's the holistic wisdom that is the need and that can deliver , not faith belief hope sincerity , nor all dos and donts
Theists get stuck up with name form attributes of their ista, and ''gods''
Most sincere people are standing in queues for darshan at temples , als enduring all the troubles., it's their choice and their wisdom
they will get the darshan of deity there surely
but whether all their sins/ impurities get washed??
whether one becomes a godly virtuous with that ??
do they get the most essential result the darshan of self ,??
but if one puts in a little effort in self realization, one comes to know that he himself the divinity, his body the abode of divinity
In the deepest core one is just emptiness, nothing, it is self , this to be experienced if to know
once this is experienced one gains the comprehensive grasp on the functioning of universe
it is true , i confirm
this emptiness is the potential energy intelligence happiness, sath chith ananda
What i said needs to be grasped by experiencing that inner silence in the state of samadhi , at leat once, at least for a second,
and then one gets convinced instantly
with out it, all explanation / discussion becomes highly limited , we will not be able to concur
Let's acknowledge accept admire all the efforts of every theist every atheist every agnostic , all are trying to reach truth in their own chosen way as per their abilities and wisdom . they will reach the goal , all the streams reach the ocean
The great rishis poets saints pursued relentlessly to find the best and then started to teach those teachings endured thru ages
eg, gold is raw material , placid, odd, unattractive
goldsmith creates ornaments, beautiful , valuable, in plenty shapes forms with polish shine sheen
without gold, no ornaments ,
he may create a very good drawing of ornament , it is imagination
but when imagination supplemented with truth , ie gold, it becomes a reality of ornament
hence man is ever after pursuit of truth in every age in every endeavor , since it is the breath of life , most essential
and those who found truth did not remain placid, but revelled in creating masterpieces
NOT accept ............., but reality is that there are levels of intelligence, stupid to genius, but wise one learns from every encounter
reach the ocean".........iterative, the stream that dries become the vapors, to rain back , it continues, 100 years, is the limitation
'' one particular philosophy ''.........which is precise and flawless.when pursued will give the ability to sync every line.........hence the importance of purity of teaching in the tradition
as big as the elephant...............not any one can contribute to the inquiry on truth , though one may write/talk volumes and with super logic, hence the problem is big, how to skip substandard, and reach to the excellent teacher ..early in life
and tendency of some of the masters is to make the followers into ''slaves '' with his strictures on code of conduct etc
Zaehner will come out of this paradigm as soon as he gets the glimpse of self realization , he will become that unifying entity which sees the right place of each line, like chemist sees the plce of each element in a periodical table
without it, the very multitude will be flabbergasting life long
Man likes to be artist,
to create better art he he explores for better raw materials, better medium, better canvass, which gives him limitless freedom to create best of artistic master pieces, in this pursuit he reaches for the best of every thing , he arrives at truth ,
truth is the best raw material, best medium best canvass
now he starts creating, his all creations acquire the hue of truth, hence value, appeal, charm.
When truth is known, belief is superfluous, , they never teach belief faith hope
they show the way precisely , and the task is accomplished
a master without having the glimpse of truth only will say believe it,
how to distinguish??
again i repeat....self realization enables one to know and assess each teacher/ each line of the philosophy
here i like to share my personal quest ...i tried several lines/ masters/ books and skippedvery quickly and reached one line which has settled things for me ....once and for ever ...based on my own glimpse of truth , i could sync all streams , no contradictions no confusion
“I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited.
Imagination encircles the world.”
― Albert Einstein
truth is a unescapable certainty,, take it or leave it, , likes unlikes, acceptance rejections can not alter it , .........science..........scientist aspect of our personality
but imagination has no limits, you can create a universe of your choice................art .........artist aspect of our personality
Man is a herd animal,''.........but deep inside, there is always the prick of conscience , may be subtlest, that goes on saying ''man, why are you compromising ''...yet man ignores, and in the din, the voice get blurred/ unheard, he ends up as third rate, where as his birth right is to excel as the best in the universe
but a rare, rare gautham did care this prick and got up and walked a lone path , ended up as budha
''Your confidence and optimism astounds me''...........no surprise, my expressions are based on truth, hence they have a hue of truth , i enjoy this discussion it is all tapestry of truth
No dark ugly truths (small) or truth (big)?''.........truth has no adjectives, imagination has good/ bad big small, etc , since imagination is no truth
"Reality isn't as pretty as our imagination painted it" might be one..........absolutely, hence so many gods icons episodes come into existence , but in some of these, the creators/ artists might have stumbled up on truth, ...may be inadvertently.. and hence a few of these become ''classic''
Erwin Schrödinger / Bernard Shaw.have a more artistic mind than serious scientific,
there are great poets who wrote jibes on gods, irreverent, ridiculed, questioned challenged,
eg kalidas, srinath , they oscillate between absolute truth and relative earthly reality
funnily, it is said allegorically , the brahman the unmanifest all powerful got bored with his tasteless colorless odourless ocean of consciousness, and started creating the lokas , the universe and different stratums and beings
Sincerity is a virtue
if one is virtuous , himself is god, he lives divinity, he will not search for a god, nothing more is required , no temples rituals, scriptures , idols icons names forms
but how many are like that
The need of all spirituality is due to ''man is a born sinner, '' and virtues will blossom with self realization, he will not commit a sin, even as a butcher in his trade, like dharma vyaadha
this is to be understood , many get misled in this
sincerity is not a prerequisite sincerity is a result of self realization
Virtues are like infinite petals of one flower , the individual, all with simultaneous growth, not one at a time, not any one exclusively
if one does not have that holistic blossoming process, of all virtues, one is likely to do mistakes and harm, like fanatics doing a sincere wto attacks accurately
also there is a danger gross misuse of scientific discoveries and inventions of the best helpful gadgets
''Switching On and Off''.. is a vital function , universal , hence it is a god
which god??
it is a manifestation of ganesh who is a vighna hatha and vighna kartha ., removes obstacles , creates obstacles
how many theists can see the principle of ganesh as ''Switching On and Off''.
and its universality ....like it is a door, opening and closing, like a traffic police stopping and allowing the vehicles, ....like a water tap,..... like a speed breaker,..... like eye lids, ...and so on
Natural law is no god and has nothing of the divine about it to justify that honorific, in my philosophy. I might as well worship the weather.........fair enough, let's not make it honorific,
why worship even weather,
instead let's know what it is, how it works, how to make its best use........these if you call a worship, it is welcome
but if you pray for weather to be favorable to you, it may not oblige
My light switch is a god?'''.............this is a manifestation of the ''presence'' of the ''principle'' of on off''
'' your light switch '' is localized in time and space, it is one of such several ''types'' , all thru the time/ space
principle stays, whether the switch is used or not, switch is in working condition or not ,
switch is concrete, principle is abstract unseen, its result is seen as on /off
this principle is one of countless principles in the working of universe
one may see its ubiquitous presence, so eligible to be called as ''a god ''
the point to be understood is
''god'' is the total system folder, one ....ie natural law
''gods'' are the discrete sub folders in that, ...ie different component laws of that one law
and i wonder how many sincere devotees and expert masters know that real sum and substance that god is ...about which so much debates explanation etc goes on and the best of rituals are practiced
once self realization happens, access to that total folder is gained, dispelling all the mystiqye
but rishis , i call them scientists found ways and means to master the weather, and they did proclaim ...kaale varshathu parjanya......it rains in time.....when they said it is based on their findings and knowledge of what cotrols the weather , they are on a firm footing , not just empty prayer
if atheism/ theism/ agnosticism can lead the human to such mastery, then all is definitely welcome / worthwhile
but alas, in life around no such skills are seen , except meteorological dept predicting the weather, but unable to command it / direct it/ control it
2 No deity concept is required....for the lay people,
engg has several principles, engineers do not adore them as deities, but make the appropriate use of these in their designs
lever principle, -----engineers know, and design things, like a spanner
but mechanics are told only how to use a spanner with a little training
4 '' there are the analogue and intermediate states which do not correspond to "on and off".''...........this statement again is like ''godly'' , ie universal, abstract,
in nature both analogue and digital exist ..............separated or together
like in a sugar cane length is divided into small pieces, /modules
since they are connected they are analogue , since they are partitioned by a line they are digital
however, in the ultimate zoom in, the nature is digital , 0 or 1
alive or dead, eyes closed or open , taps open or closed
if semi opened or sem iclosed , are on only but not off
5 man on his death bed or in coma, still is alive, though partially alive, or close to dead , but when died it is death
in life and death , in ''on and off''', in light and darkness, in 1 or 0 , there is a great difference ,
in 0 there are no options
in 1 there are countless options ranging from seed to tree , spark to floodlight
Ultimate zoom in.......seeing the life processes closest to reality , like we go from metal to molecules to atoms to nuclear levels , particle physics/ force field matter fields then to the unified field , the consciousnes, we may refer to relevant scientific data , i shall provide some links
I only say that ''god '' has been grossly misunderstood , and given so many attributes as a fancy of one's mind, ''cluttered'' rightly
If God does not interfere in our life, why we to bother about him / why bother himA conscious God is non-existent....god is created by man, other beings have no god concept , they simply live happily
God is a convenient escape route for own failures, for passing the buck , gita finally says it is you who has to rise to the occasion and take action , not to run away, nor to look for some savior,
Since consciousness. cannot be understood, god was created to explain it
truly we see what exists it is simple to conclude that , there are laws of nature, ........not needed to be glorified.......but to be aware and know them closely , to lead a life intelligently
let's call this very nature as nature , and not as God and mystify it and create a plethora of faith, belief, hope, and rituals
nature cannot be seen , like wind, only its working/ effects can be seen ,
Nature is Shapeless and all shapes
1 visible, universe , a factory running , alive with all activities
2 invisible, basic laws running the universe, silent unseen rule book
Myth aspect is , the visible universe, ever changing, of momentary existence, a momentary reality.......note.......it's a reality, truly existing at that moment
truth aspect is , the invisible basis, never changing, of eternal existence
Ceo is on foreign tour,not possible to find him and talk to him , he made the manual and went on his errands
it's the system that governs . very few employees have access to the system manual that underlie the running of factory defining all the rules and procedures
they are just busy in doing what is assigned
Ceo returns in the virtual form of ''updates / revision'' of the system manual
I Read all your posts , i am coming to my wits end
................
seeing your ''star'' responses, i am inspired to increase my ''loudness and frequency'' to make you hear ''silence'' clearly unmistakably
but but but
i see you have with you every thing that is existing in the universe , the trees , the mountains the fields, the rivers the oceans , the beings, the civilizations, the nations, the clouds , the rains, the rainbows , the stars the sun moon planets galaxies ,..... except ....the sky
the sky which is there very much every where, in, out, ...............alas none can describe it , none can deliver its looks and feel, none can make you understand what it is
how can any one ever do any thing with ''nothing''??
can you discard and disown every thing in the universe that you possess, so that you can have only sky and sky alone??
'm not mainstream around here'', ............................ the most unconventional unorthodox uncompromising , may be like j krishnamurthy
i am unable to resist the temptation to respond unendingly, ...let this be the last post
Sky:, that's not the ceiling in the big room
The one that can not change colour, nor any one can paint on it
that sky which does not contain anything, just empty,
but seen as containing every thing,
in fact it is you who is its the owner, but your cottage walls and sardust stuff you acquired is being owned and valued more by you than the most valuable sky
by acquiring all finite things you missed the infinity
sky got lost
you do not know what is that which is lost , since it is emptiness
you are searching for the one without knowing what is that you lost
you are searching for the one which cannot be lost since it is every where , and is ever here
you are searching for yourself , not knowing that you are not lost cannot be lost
thanks and i will wait for the moment when you say ''hurray , i found it ''
atheists wont stand, they do not tread on earth, they fly free and in infinite freedom
Nama roopa mahima of devathas hide the ''reality'', they are stuck in icons images idols temples, pilgrimages,rituals
''gabheere kaasaare ,,,,,,,,
atheist has no such hindrance to reach reality
Theism is based on faith, belief, hope
Bhakti/jnan both are waking states, mind is active with thoughts and images will not lead to turia, since it is beyond thoughts
Saints are minority,
majority opinion is no validity
Leaving aside a debate on god etc, ......................one can lead a great / noble / fulfilled life full of glorious achievements/ unimaginable contributions to oneself and the world around with the experience of this turia state, and further higher states, which provide deep insights on the nature's / life's functioning and a comprehensive grip/ mastery on mysteries and enigmas , and ability to find creative solutions and skillful applications
Skill of driving and upkeep of the vehicle makes journey fast, easy safe
body mind nervous system must be refined and purified to lead a good life in think talk walk
but true spirituality is based on self realization , beyond all idol worship
My understanding is based on simple observation of a seed growing into a huge tree.............which will not happen overnight,... to wit, ....even if god wants it
it takes its own time , the process happening in acc with some principles ...........which man is trying to find out in the form of biology/ zoology etc
no god comes and saves the great devotees in accidents/ mishaps on pilgrimages to holy places
Views differ, people were saved and are being saved from accidents by alertness and wise preventive actions , yet quakes canot be prevented but seismic proof design by experts save life and property , not depending on god
Ideally, the pratimas should aid bhakti, to understand and ....own the values personified by the deity., ....and to become oneself the lining deity
ie to awaken all the inner potentialities that are enlisted in the 108 names ,,, or 1000 names, these qualities/ mahimas are contained as seeds in the stotras , once we awaken the field of consciousness , the yoga kshethra, these seeds start getting sprouted and grow ....this aspect is not known / just ignored / not understood by most of the theists, and alas, ...god continues to remains only in the temples and teeraths and statues and books and pictures
once found what god really is, one will not get stuck with labels. icons
A case needs to be made with care, not with leaps''................using the 4 survival instincts, ie ahaar nidra bhaya maithunam [[ food, sleep, security, procreation ]] with the best discretion , not hoping/praying that some god will come and redeem when things go wrong
Atheistic way of life.is based on one's best reason, known thru own learnt lessons or from others experiences, mostly person specific, the one rule is to disbelieve the assumptions that are without reason / science that one can reach
Atheist when evolves end up being a theist
theist when evolves ends up being a atheist
Individual every drop, and there by the whole society will be better if and only if they discover and realize truth, labels/approaches can be any or several, point is one should not get stuck up on superficiality
Sincerity is ..not ..everything
most sincere followers to a wrong approach will lead to ruin
followers of osama/ maoism/ etc are sincere to the core, even ready to risk/ sacrifice their life, as a human bomb
it's the holistic wisdom that is the need and that can deliver , not faith belief hope sincerity , nor all dos and donts
Theists get stuck up with name form attributes of their ista, and ''gods''
Most sincere people are standing in queues for darshan at temples , als enduring all the troubles., it's their choice and their wisdom
they will get the darshan of deity there surely
but whether all their sins/ impurities get washed??
whether one becomes a godly virtuous with that ??
do they get the most essential result the darshan of self ,??
but if one puts in a little effort in self realization, one comes to know that he himself the divinity, his body the abode of divinity
In the deepest core one is just emptiness, nothing, it is self , this to be experienced if to know
once this is experienced one gains the comprehensive grasp on the functioning of universe
it is true , i confirm
this emptiness is the potential energy intelligence happiness, sath chith ananda
What i said needs to be grasped by experiencing that inner silence in the state of samadhi , at leat once, at least for a second,
and then one gets convinced instantly
with out it, all explanation / discussion becomes highly limited , we will not be able to concur
Let's acknowledge accept admire all the efforts of every theist every atheist every agnostic , all are trying to reach truth in their own chosen way as per their abilities and wisdom . they will reach the goal , all the streams reach the ocean
The great rishis poets saints pursued relentlessly to find the best and then started to teach those teachings endured thru ages
eg, gold is raw material , placid, odd, unattractive
goldsmith creates ornaments, beautiful , valuable, in plenty shapes forms with polish shine sheen
without gold, no ornaments ,
he may create a very good drawing of ornament , it is imagination
but when imagination supplemented with truth , ie gold, it becomes a reality of ornament
hence man is ever after pursuit of truth in every age in every endeavor , since it is the breath of life , most essential
and those who found truth did not remain placid, but revelled in creating masterpieces
NOT accept ............., but reality is that there are levels of intelligence, stupid to genius, but wise one learns from every encounter
reach the ocean".........iterative, the stream that dries become the vapors, to rain back , it continues, 100 years, is the limitation
'' one particular philosophy ''.........which is precise and flawless.when pursued will give the ability to sync every line.........hence the importance of purity of teaching in the tradition
as big as the elephant...............not any one can contribute to the inquiry on truth , though one may write/talk volumes and with super logic, hence the problem is big, how to skip substandard, and reach to the excellent teacher ..early in life
and tendency of some of the masters is to make the followers into ''slaves '' with his strictures on code of conduct etc
Zaehner will come out of this paradigm as soon as he gets the glimpse of self realization , he will become that unifying entity which sees the right place of each line, like chemist sees the plce of each element in a periodical table
without it, the very multitude will be flabbergasting life long
Man likes to be artist,
to create better art he he explores for better raw materials, better medium, better canvass, which gives him limitless freedom to create best of artistic master pieces, in this pursuit he reaches for the best of every thing , he arrives at truth ,
truth is the best raw material, best medium best canvass
now he starts creating, his all creations acquire the hue of truth, hence value, appeal, charm.
When truth is known, belief is superfluous, , they never teach belief faith hope
they show the way precisely , and the task is accomplished
a master without having the glimpse of truth only will say believe it,
how to distinguish??
again i repeat....self realization enables one to know and assess each teacher/ each line of the philosophy
here i like to share my personal quest ...i tried several lines/ masters/ books and skippedvery quickly and reached one line which has settled things for me ....once and for ever ...based on my own glimpse of truth , i could sync all streams , no contradictions no confusion
“I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited.
Imagination encircles the world.”
― Albert Einstein
truth is a unescapable certainty,, take it or leave it, , likes unlikes, acceptance rejections can not alter it , .........science..........scientist aspect of our personality
but imagination has no limits, you can create a universe of your choice................art .........artist aspect of our personality
Man is a herd animal,''.........but deep inside, there is always the prick of conscience , may be subtlest, that goes on saying ''man, why are you compromising ''...yet man ignores, and in the din, the voice get blurred/ unheard, he ends up as third rate, where as his birth right is to excel as the best in the universe
but a rare, rare gautham did care this prick and got up and walked a lone path , ended up as budha
''Your confidence and optimism astounds me''...........no surprise, my expressions are based on truth, hence they have a hue of truth , i enjoy this discussion it is all tapestry of truth
No dark ugly truths (small) or truth (big)?''.........truth has no adjectives, imagination has good/ bad big small, etc , since imagination is no truth
"Reality isn't as pretty as our imagination painted it" might be one..........absolutely, hence so many gods icons episodes come into existence , but in some of these, the creators/ artists might have stumbled up on truth, ...may be inadvertently.. and hence a few of these become ''classic''
Erwin Schrödinger / Bernard Shaw.have a more artistic mind than serious scientific,
there are great poets who wrote jibes on gods, irreverent, ridiculed, questioned challenged,
eg kalidas, srinath , they oscillate between absolute truth and relative earthly reality
funnily, it is said allegorically , the brahman the unmanifest all powerful got bored with his tasteless colorless odourless ocean of consciousness, and started creating the lokas , the universe and different stratums and beings
Sincerity is a virtue
if one is virtuous , himself is god, he lives divinity, he will not search for a god, nothing more is required , no temples rituals, scriptures , idols icons names forms
but how many are like that
The need of all spirituality is due to ''man is a born sinner, '' and virtues will blossom with self realization, he will not commit a sin, even as a butcher in his trade, like dharma vyaadha
this is to be understood , many get misled in this
sincerity is not a prerequisite sincerity is a result of self realization
Virtues are like infinite petals of one flower , the individual, all with simultaneous growth, not one at a time, not any one exclusively
if one does not have that holistic blossoming process, of all virtues, one is likely to do mistakes and harm, like fanatics doing a sincere wto attacks accurately
also there is a danger gross misuse of scientific discoveries and inventions of the best helpful gadgets
''Switching On and Off''.. is a vital function , universal , hence it is a god
which god??
it is a manifestation of ganesh who is a vighna hatha and vighna kartha ., removes obstacles , creates obstacles
how many theists can see the principle of ganesh as ''Switching On and Off''.
and its universality ....like it is a door, opening and closing, like a traffic police stopping and allowing the vehicles, ....like a water tap,..... like a speed breaker,..... like eye lids, ...and so on
Natural law is no god and has nothing of the divine about it to justify that honorific, in my philosophy. I might as well worship the weather.........fair enough, let's not make it honorific,
why worship even weather,
instead let's know what it is, how it works, how to make its best use........these if you call a worship, it is welcome
but if you pray for weather to be favorable to you, it may not oblige
My light switch is a god?'''.............this is a manifestation of the ''presence'' of the ''principle'' of on off''
'' your light switch '' is localized in time and space, it is one of such several ''types'' , all thru the time/ space
principle stays, whether the switch is used or not, switch is in working condition or not ,
switch is concrete, principle is abstract unseen, its result is seen as on /off
this principle is one of countless principles in the working of universe
one may see its ubiquitous presence, so eligible to be called as ''a god ''
the point to be understood is
''god'' is the total system folder, one ....ie natural law
''gods'' are the discrete sub folders in that, ...ie different component laws of that one law
and i wonder how many sincere devotees and expert masters know that real sum and substance that god is ...about which so much debates explanation etc goes on and the best of rituals are practiced
once self realization happens, access to that total folder is gained, dispelling all the mystiqye
but rishis , i call them scientists found ways and means to master the weather, and they did proclaim ...kaale varshathu parjanya......it rains in time.....when they said it is based on their findings and knowledge of what cotrols the weather , they are on a firm footing , not just empty prayer
if atheism/ theism/ agnosticism can lead the human to such mastery, then all is definitely welcome / worthwhile
but alas, in life around no such skills are seen , except meteorological dept predicting the weather, but unable to command it / direct it/ control it
2 No deity concept is required....for the lay people,
engg has several principles, engineers do not adore them as deities, but make the appropriate use of these in their designs
lever principle, -----engineers know, and design things, like a spanner
but mechanics are told only how to use a spanner with a little training
4 '' there are the analogue and intermediate states which do not correspond to "on and off".''...........this statement again is like ''godly'' , ie universal, abstract,
in nature both analogue and digital exist ..............separated or together
like in a sugar cane length is divided into small pieces, /modules
since they are connected they are analogue , since they are partitioned by a line they are digital
however, in the ultimate zoom in, the nature is digital , 0 or 1
alive or dead, eyes closed or open , taps open or closed
if semi opened or sem iclosed , are on only but not off
5 man on his death bed or in coma, still is alive, though partially alive, or close to dead , but when died it is death
in life and death , in ''on and off''', in light and darkness, in 1 or 0 , there is a great difference ,
in 0 there are no options
in 1 there are countless options ranging from seed to tree , spark to floodlight
Ultimate zoom in.......seeing the life processes closest to reality , like we go from metal to molecules to atoms to nuclear levels , particle physics/ force field matter fields then to the unified field , the consciousnes, we may refer to relevant scientific data , i shall provide some links
I only say that ''god '' has been grossly misunderstood , and given so many attributes as a fancy of one's mind, ''cluttered'' rightly
If God does not interfere in our life, why we to bother about him / why bother himA conscious God is non-existent....god is created by man, other beings have no god concept , they simply live happily
God is a convenient escape route for own failures, for passing the buck , gita finally says it is you who has to rise to the occasion and take action , not to run away, nor to look for some savior,
Since consciousness. cannot be understood, god was created to explain it
truly we see what exists it is simple to conclude that , there are laws of nature, ........not needed to be glorified.......but to be aware and know them closely , to lead a life intelligently
let's call this very nature as nature , and not as God and mystify it and create a plethora of faith, belief, hope, and rituals
nature cannot be seen , like wind, only its working/ effects can be seen ,
Nature is the system manual of the universe
Nature is Shapeless and all shapes
1 visible, universe , a factory running , alive with all activities
2 invisible, basic laws running the universe, silent unseen rule book
Myth aspect is , the visible universe, ever changing, of momentary existence, a momentary reality.......note.......it's a reality, truly existing at that moment
truth aspect is , the invisible basis, never changing, of eternal existence
Ceo is on foreign tour,not possible to find him and talk to him , he made the manual and went on his errands
it's the system that governs . very few employees have access to the system manual that underlie the running of factory defining all the rules and procedures
they are just busy in doing what is assigned
Ceo returns in the virtual form of ''updates / revision'' of the system manual
I Read all your posts , i am coming to my wits end
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seeing your ''star'' responses, i am inspired to increase my ''loudness and frequency'' to make you hear ''silence'' clearly unmistakably
but but but
i see you have with you every thing that is existing in the universe , the trees , the mountains the fields, the rivers the oceans , the beings, the civilizations, the nations, the clouds , the rains, the rainbows , the stars the sun moon planets galaxies ,..... except ....the sky
the sky which is there very much every where, in, out, ...............alas none can describe it , none can deliver its looks and feel, none can make you understand what it is
how can any one ever do any thing with ''nothing''??
can you discard and disown every thing in the universe that you possess, so that you can have only sky and sky alone??
'm not mainstream around here'', ............................ the most unconventional unorthodox uncompromising , may be like j krishnamurthy
i am unable to resist the temptation to respond unendingly, ...let this be the last post
Sky:, that's not the ceiling in the big room
The one that can not change colour, nor any one can paint on it
that sky which does not contain anything, just empty,
but seen as containing every thing,
in fact it is you who is its the owner, but your cottage walls and sardust stuff you acquired is being owned and valued more by you than the most valuable sky
by acquiring all finite things you missed the infinity
sky got lost
you do not know what is that which is lost , since it is emptiness
you are searching for the one without knowing what is that you lost
you are searching for the one which cannot be lost since it is every where , and is ever here
you are searching for yourself , not knowing that you are not lost cannot be lost
thanks and i will wait for the moment when you say ''hurray , i found it ''
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