I am amazed to know the existence of time, space, movement, and different velocities from the upanishath statement ''That (The Self) is unmoving, one, and is faster than the mind. .......etc'' naturally , question arises , are these parameters are the same as we see perceive in the physical world as measured by physics?? or are these refer to some unseen loka, not related with physics. if it is related, then what are the ranges, like distances ,is it a few kilometers or a fem millimeters or is it millions of kilometers?? brahma loka, as mentioned, how far is it, approximately?, and how to travel to reach there? also are there various other lokas like vishnu loka, or gandharva loka which we hear in stories, and how far are they from earth loka ?if self is unmoving it must be a stable, with zero dimensions, just a point 

if it is infinite field, then there must be definitely movement 
also if moving with some velocity what its range, in kilometers per hour or per second?
if it is moving and becomes non moving is there a brake-system or a natural slowing down like in pendulum oscillations, 
Probably all answers may be there in the write up, i may have to read and get to know , these are my immediate questions 

Pranams, i may be excused if my questions are irrelevant.

Also, whether these movements are in straight line ?, only in one direction, or back and forth ie translatory motion,? and where is the start point and the end point? or is it circular or elliptical? , or sinusoidal ?, and at what frequency and what amplitude?
or is it a radial movement like rays from sun , diverging from a point or converging towards a center?

3 brahman, existence of time, space, movement, and

Kalavathi Sonti
You people are as scientists. Try ing to find out through logic and reason..... But we see it in a simple way .....except in waking state. In the other two states time space is nt there.... So it is Anithya..... Sometimes Vedantha looks very easy ??? Na Rishi?? Reply | Block user8 months ago View Shekhar Ray's Profile Shekhar Ray "time, space, movement, and different velocities .....are these parameters are the same as we see perceive in the physical world as measured by physics" - there is no 'scientific' way to measure or perceive time-space. .... what we measure is not time but time span i.e. interval between two occurrence or space between two objects ...... it is because infinity can't be measured or perceived ........... movement, and different velocities are also just different values relative to one another ........ actually ancient muni-rishis realized the theory of relativity much before Einstein, possibly in a much better way. Reply | Block user8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray The many places and time which are before us, Are drawn by illusion in the board of life in a peculiar manner, By a great savant or an expert Siddha, Who can create them as per their will, so desha kaala, time space are just maya , no reality only relativity is the reason which creates that feeling, amazed that you have refered relativity theory to scriptures, thank you Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray Beejasyanthari vankuro jagadhidham, Prang nirvikalpam puna, Mayakalpitha desa kala kalanaa, Vaichithrya chithrikrutham, Mayaveeva vijrumbhayathyapi maha, Yogeeva yah swechaya, Thasmai sri guru murthaye nama idham, Sree dakshinamurthaye. || 2 || Like the germ inside the seed is its part, But becomes different after development The many places and time which are before us, Are drawn by illusion in the board of life in a peculiar manner, By a great savant or an expert Siddha, Who can create them as per their will, Salutation to the God facing the south, Who is the greatest teacher. Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray So,can we conclude 1 there is no such a thing as time present moment is the existing reality, no past no future, 2 there is no such thing as space just vacuum emptiness is the reality valuable, remarks thank you, it reminds me on dakshna murthy stotra....... so Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Shekhar Ray's Profile Shekhar Ray in reply to Richo Akshare "So,can we conclude ......." - No, we can only conclude that the question of existence or non existence of time-space is beyond the ability of our intellect ......... interestingly our great sages & rishis affirms (and also gives some guidelines) the possibility to go beyond intellect to experience the reality of time-space. Reply | Block user8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray Http://everythingforever.com/einstein.htm Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Shekhar Ray Quote Albert Einstein and the Fabric of Time Surprising as it may be to most non-scientists and even to some scientists, Albert Einstein concluded in his later years that the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. In 1952, in his book Relativity, in discussing Minkowski's Space World interpretation of his theory of relativity, Einstein writes: Since there exists in this four dimensional structure [space-time] no longer any sections which represent "now" objectively, the concepts of happening and becoming are indeed not completely suspended, but yet complicated. It appears therefore more natural to think of physical reality as a four dimensional existence, instead of, as hitherto, the evolution of a three dimensional existence. Einstein's belief in an undivided solid reality was clear to him, so much so that he completely rejected the separation we experience as the moment of now. He believed there is no true division between past and future, there is rather a single existence. His most descriptive testimony to this faith came when his lifelong friend Besso died. Einstein wrote a letter to Besso's family, saying that although Besso had preceded him in death it was of no consequence, "...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one." unquote Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Shekhar Ray's Profile Shekhar Ray in reply to Richo Akshare Good sharing ....... thanks Reply | Block user8 months ago View Kalavathi Sonti's Profile Kalavathi Sonti I had a wild imagination......how great it is!! If the charectors comes out of the screen and meets the outside ones!!!!.Believe me . Udayashankar group did it......!!!the dancer comes out .. And enters again in to the screen !!!....That day my joy knew no bounds !!!! Reply | Block user8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Kalavathi Sonti Ocean is the actor waves the character ocean, flat screen, becomes alive , into waves 3 dimensional, multi shapes, motions, noise, force, Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Kalavathi Sonti's Profile Kalavathi Sonti in reply to Richo Akshare Adi sari........ Neelu office .....Leda ?? Kannanna??? Reply | Block user8 months ago View Kalavathi Sonti's Profile Kalavathi Sonti Brhma loka and all you are trying to find out through science.........belongs to manifest world......The lokas forex. brahma loka belongs to another level of consciousness. like mixing events of the dreamworld with waking world incidents.!!!!!! No you cant do that. Reply | Block user8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Kalavathi Sonti By trying to understand the matters of another level of consciousness, science is evolving to reach that level, and it has succeeded to a large extent by discovering the ''unified-field'' theory , by the most advanced scientists thru meditation under the guidance of maharishi, ultimately science will rise to brahma gyan , no thing will be left unknown . Reply | Delete 8 months ago View Kalavathi Sonti's Profile Kalavathi Sonti in reply to Richo Akshare Science reaches means....... It is beyond science ???

 Knife cannot cut it

………… Since it is already cut and ground to the ultimate level possible into very fine powder in which no micro  particles exist, ultimate of powdered metallurgy,pulverization process

Fire cannot cut it

…………..since it is already burnt to the ultimate level possible into ashes in which no combustible fuel exist , with any  calorific value,  ultimate of pyrolysis, and  pyrotechnics

Water cannot wet it

 …………… since it is already rendered into water repellent, Impenetrable , ultimate of Waterproofing technology  

Air cannot dry it

…………… since it is already dried to the ultimate level possible and rendered moisture free, ultimate of dehumidification technologies

Brahman, the ultimate reality can --not---be known only through scriptures." 

meditation, is essential , with expert guidance

love, acceptance, faith, living in the now, scriptures getting revealed from inside

------are all outcome of experiencing brahman , 

these cannot be cultivated / comprehended/acquired/------ without it

with the experiencing of brahman in sufficient measure, 

one can discover newer and newer scripts within 

and thus becomes himself the creator of 

scriptures and epics, 

greater, grander, newer, original

The nature of Brahman is an all-time mystery for the human being, and that propels one to be seeking and striving to resolve it, lifelong, and may be life after life, till one finally succeeds. But a few get at it earliest in life by the right guidance from competent masters . once this ‘’state of Brahman’’ is gained  , immediately one will become instantly knowledgeable, life becomes an open book, no thing more to seek, but to lead a masterly life with full command over his destiny

That makes one to understand the coexistence of ‘’ opposing ’’ attributes harmoniously

He comes to know that  ‘’yes ‘’ and ‘’no’’ are simultaneously true

For example, individual is ‘’unique’’ and ‘’universal’’ at the same time

Brahman is nonmoving yet movement is there within Brahman

That which is nonmoving remains unseen, a hidden view of reality

That which is moving remains seen, a obvious view of reality

Let us take a example

The design drawing of a building is on a tracing paper, it is like Brahman , unmanifest reality of the building , building is not there on the tracing paper .

The designer knows what it is , it is a non moving reality of building

Now a blue print / Xerox is taken and distributed , it becomes a scripture giving the essential details of the building

Now this copy of the drawing is moving from hand to hand , drawing is not moving/ changing  it remains the same

But when this drawing is activated , ie to convert into a manifest reality , a series of movements start happening

Building materials bricks, sand ,stone, cement start getting accumulated, and get processed , and the earth is dug, foundation is made, walls rise, ceiling happens, paint/ color coating is given,

Lo

the building is created, and now it is a visible reality .

the no comparison, building in a drawing is just a few black lines on a thin sheet,

but , building constructed using that drawing is substantial in looks, size, shape, beauty, utility ,  all since that Brahman / drawing started energizing the movement of all materials into a shape

so Brahman is moving and non moving

once the building becomes old damage occurs, but the drawing remains unaffected, so Brahman cannot be destroyed, yet manifest aspect is vulnerable to change/ destruction ,reconstruction, repair

so Brahman is indestructible , but yet destructible in its manifest aspect

so both opposites stay  unified in Brahman

and in spirituality it always yes and no both 

All possibilities exist in the self but in the potential/seed state ever ready to manifest/sprout 

thru guidance of a guru things will be known totally in an instant, no struggle, no waiting, no uncertainty, no wrong moves

without guru, a life time is not sufficient

1 Brahman is an all-time mystery

 Since Brahman is the one absolute truth, 

which cannot be explained in words, and  

which cannot be understood thru words, since words are

inadequate , cannot help  really.

Also the absolute truth can be comprehended truly only by

‘’being’’ that Brahman itself

That being the limitation of words, and that being the

power of Brahman, 

and every individual entity being only a manifest aspect

of Brahman,  

as a jeeva, with certain unique  identity, shape, size, points of view,

capabilities and limitations, whatever, who ever expresses, however accurately

, that expression will be a  ‘’partial’’

and ‘’ unique’’  truth with reference to

certain parameters/ assumptions / understandings / experiences / perceptions 

but  never can be a precise complete full truth

so  it follows that

any two individuals can never truly concur, however much they debate /argue /fight/

assert/ shout/ convince/ explain /exhort,  

then is this debate / or any debate just a wasteful exercise??

No, it is an exercise in exploring one’s depths and reach as much deep as possible to arrive at the absolute truth if at all possible 

or as nearer as possible

A dialog with anyone ‘’outside’’ is a dialog that goes on

‘’within’’ the individual between ‘’the guru and shishya that reside in one’s self’’

Since each individual is a student and a teacher both

simultaneously

This is the most useful outcome of all debates,

irrespective of whose words are acceptable, concurred ,disapproved, disliked ,discarded,ignored,

So in the discussion we may not reach a valid, mutually

acceptable concurrence of views.

It ends with open ended

And this  exploration  by the ‘’internal’’ guru and shishya gets triggered when a person/ words/ phenomenon  is encountered, in awe, in wonder ,in fear, in

suspicion, in devotion, in hope, in various mixed feelings , and leads to discovery of ‘’internal wealth of wisdom’’, bringing out the potential powers/  enhancing one’s all-round abilities including the power of expression , 

one tends to overflow

in creative expressions , some times poetic/ sometimes musical, sometimes literary

, artistic modes , and all in bliss , ananda

So the outcome mainly is the ananda, nothing less , what

more is required!!

So ‘’the moving finger writes, having writ moves on’ , regardless of ‘’come what may’’ from the outside receivers

That is how , the life becomes enriched, fulfilled

is there a conical spiralling movement by brahman ??

answer is yes 

the proof is the ''shankha,'' having a shape of conical spiral ,which is conically spiralling , gicing rise to that shape 

anoter question ''is there radial motion??

yes, proof is that we see the existence of circular shape of ripples in a pond when a stone is dropped 

and so on ....

the point is that .......thru science ......we can arrive at the ways how the brahman functions

the fruit orange has detailed beautiful / wise construction , indicative of the ability/ the way brahman functions

That Chaitanya.......is the field of ultimate connectivity of all entities in the manifest world. it's the field of inter-connected-ness, ie yoga kshethra,

one has to only gain the ability to see the existence of one's connection to That, then science / logic behind it becomes known

it is a matter of direct experience, not mere extreme imagination nor extrapolation

4 brahman, is there a conical spiraling movement by brahman ??

  words , any, They enhance our understanding of the nature of Brahman, the Supreme Consciousness

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----only if, ---only if brahman is experienced , at least once, 
at least for a moment , in a life time

otherwise , discussions, literature, scriptures 
will remain a huge jungle, 
leaving man caught up in their tangle