bhakthi in recent times

yes--we do see it's vikruyhis
---snobbery, ritual, externalities, 
non relevance and more, 
more of just an event management, 
an unavoidable obligation, 
money, show etc

i feel too all is not well.

but no..

No--not so 

what is going on is also a divine show of our times, when looked the other way.

i am flabbergasted at the overflowing devotion in the devotees, 
in tirupathi , ayyappa, poori jagannath, culcutta durgafestivals-dhai handi at bombay, vinayak at hyd etc

what a great inspiration driving all to find time and resources to just fulfill the feeblest desire to worship, 
---with music, dance, noise, grandeur, 
play, dramas, sports, competitions , 
puja, prasada,

new attires, flowers, bathi, decorations

--let it be --money/publicity/stunt/what ever can be the driving force all in the name of god, 
in the faith in him---some thing i feel humble

It is all play and display of purusha pratibha, 
the deepest coming out with best of talents, 
organizing power, team work, 
such harmony and serenity 
amidst the rush , deafening loudspeakers, 
push pull of crowds

--what is that which makes all this to happen?

yes ----infn tech is dominating , online services reservations, even puja , but it is all a great thing how nicely getting attended

i may get disgust in waiting for hours in the que, 
but i still makes me to reflect for a while

--what is all this nonsense
--at the same time i feel it is all the pure sense,

things are still happening, 
things are mobilized for a cause unseen 
in the name of invisible some thing

Typically 
men women boys girls doing dance and bhajan, kolatam, 
steps in rhythm with the devotional song s

--i feel why not i join them and be one with them,

leave alone god, it's a great thing happening 
some one offers a golden throne to shirdi, 
or currency in thirupathi hundi

i feel yes divine has its own ways to move the heart and minds of the ignorant masses
--rather child like innocent ways of the crowds

and i feel the devotion myself whether it is felt by all or not

this is a way of my apologies to have called his play a snobbery or other. tnx god bless you.

lets flow in song and dance with the crowd 
and pull the divine chariot, 
tho our effort has any effect on its movement, 
it being in no hurry to be in line with the speed age.

 

bhakthi mukthi

antics of Krishna, pleasant to read , rich with deep meaning in the state of union , one feels all is the same one ie ''the finest dust of pure consciousness'' which is the cure all for all the ills including those of the avatars like sri krishna, who is in the trap of '' name and form '', hence is vulnerable to '' pleasure and pain ''

krisna has sent out this message of the holy dust of the pure consciousness, asks the humanity to get cured of all the bhava rogas since that holy self is

nainam chindanti shasthrani

..sword cannot cut it

fire cannot burn it

water cannot wet it

air cannot dry it

in such a secure state, no headache , no tooth ache, no body ache, one becomes all-proof invincible,

so the message of kishn is----- cross the bhava sagar and reach the other shore, and live happily for ever

truly speaking, i own lord krishna within myself,

as the unmanifest self , ie myself, and gita is open to me giving all answers from within , i dont have any question unanswered my presence in st is just to share my inner wisdom joyfully and usefully

"Grew grew ఎదిగి ఎదిగి

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పస­ ; 35; కందు నయ్యాను

వ­ ; 03;పత్ర శాయి నయ్యాను

i grew and grew, not into elder

i became a child tender

i became vata patra shayi,

the innocent bala krishna

spiritual growth is true growth all the rest is mere froth

as spititual growth happens, one is born again, as a child,

with a slate clean, with a mind a mirror

navo navo bhavathi is the nature of creative intelligence

renders one grow in the ability of finding new ways, new perceptions, more play, mere joy, burden of experiences off-loaded instantly as if a line drawn on water, gets deleted, automatically"

"Puja koti samam stotram

stotra koti samo japah

japa koti samam dhyaanam

dhyanakoti samolayah

(krishna arjuna samvade - uttara gita - mahabharat)

In a conversation of krishna and arjun,krishna said

- the result that we get by performing karodo pujas is equal to performing of 1 stotra,

similarly karod stotras is equal to 1 japa,

karod japas is equal to1 dhyaan

and karodo dhyaan is equal to 1 mano layah.

emphasis is on laya, samadhi under expert master, dhyan leads to samadhi instantly"

 that in this statement , '' (6.47), 'And of all yogis, the one with great faith who always abides in Me, thinks of Me and renders transcendental loving service to Me, is the highest all all.''

------'duality is still persisting ,

since there are the two entities '' he and ME''

whereas lord says ' ''be yogastha'',

be firmly established in your own self , become '' atmavan, ''

where there is no separation between you, me and every entity in the universe

he did not say become ''krishnavan'',

----------this is to be noted

be atmavan where there is no identity of krishna ,

beyond every nama, roopa, mahima,,leela

in such a state of having established in his own self,

which is the ''universal one self'' atma ,

that is the underlying reality of every creature in the universe,

the yogi automatically renders loving service to all the creatures,

as if every being is his own kith and kin,

as if every being is a inseparable part of his own personality,

in the mamatha bhaava, in the feeling of ''my-ness''

here krishna consciousness has become pure attribute-less consciousness,

nirgun nirakar, anamika, nameless formless ,

the core reality of the lord krishna and the culmination of bhaktha becoming one with his ista's core reality,

thus getting released from any bindings , becoming muktha, ,

the ultimate goal of iskcon , the great vehicle carrying the message of lord krishna to the generations to generations"

"Gita2 46

yaavaanaartha udapaane sarvathaha samplutodake |taavan sarvheshu vedeshu braahmanasya vijaanataha

Just like there is no use for a well when water is flooding everywhere, so does a brahmagyani know all the contents of the Vedas.and scriptures"

"For me no need of any scriptures,

since the essence is in the pure consciousness,

experiencing the same has cleared all samshayas

"As Supreme Lord Sri Krishna is Transcendental, pure consciousness, the unity,

no separation, no distance, no duality of me and he ,

there arises no need to surrender

there is one ultimate consciousness all pervading,

inside and outside me,

that is me and me alone,

aham brahmasmi

surrender is only as long as duality persists

as soon as the unity is experienced, duality vanishes

ie as one grows spiritually, one becomes himself the lord krishna"

"Krishna himself is a mortal living being within the frame of'' birth, growth, death''

he died too

but he did sadhana and earned 64 kalas and all bhagas

as a result

so any human being , under right guidance and intense tapasya can become one with supreme , muktha , it's the goal

in the skill and mastery over the chethan , one can acquire the bhagas of any bhagavan, and become that bhagavan , including Bhagavan Sri Krishna"

"What ever potencies and powers of krishna or any avatars or any great saints are simply that of the unmanifest pure consciousness which is the chethan,

''chethana sarva sidhi pradayini ''

and depending on one's sadhana inputs one can access and actualize the unlimited potentialities and live a glorious life as glorious as any god ,

it is the intensity of sadhana that is the basic essential

every bhaktha sees his ista as the ultimate ,

it is natural ista can be any devi, devatha or guru, matha, pita, pati, bandhu ,sakha

conversely all these relations also attributable to ista

so it concludes that wise spirituals must go forward non stop ,

reach that ultimate which is beyond all,

and be established and be done with,

without getting bound with any thing or any one on the way"

"Every manifestation has a beginning and an end, what remains , eternally without change without destruction is the is only the unmanifest chethan ,avinash tatvam

this is applicable to all avathars , including teen murthis

only brahma satyam

but jagat mithya

so if one searches for krishna, he will not see him at all anywhere outside, he can see him in side his own self

since self is the kaivalya kshethra containing all the lokas

and all the beings there in

one can visit vaikunt, kailash or brahmalok,

and meet devi devathas, gandharva, kinnera, kimpurusha and talk to them, shake hands with them --------caution-------all this not on earth plane ---but only on--- the plane of higher consciousness ---in one's own being ---in the atma

so it is possible to meet krishna and play with him,

listen to his sweet murali vadan, and lovely discourse on gita

-------all in one's inside , not any where outside,

not even in temples,,not in dwaraka or mathura or brindavan or near yamuna

so emphasis is on the sadhana to become yogastha as early as possible and be muktha"

 I am amazed to know the existence of time, space, movement, and different velocities from the upanishath statement ''That (The Self) is unmoving, one, and is faster than the mind. .......etc'' 

naturally , question arises , are these parameters are the same as we see perceive in the physical world as measured by physics?? 

or are these refer to some unseen loka, not related with physics. if it is related, then what are the ranges, like distances ,is it a few kilometers or a few millimeters or is it millions of kilometers?? 

brahma loka, as mentioned, how far is it, approximately?, and how to travel to reach there? also are there various other lokas like vishnu loka, or gandharva loka which we hear in stories, and how far are they from earth loka ?

if self is unmoving it must be a stable, with zero dimensions, just a point 

if it is infinite field, then there must be definitely movement 

also if moving with some velocity what its range, in kilometers per hour or per second?

if it is moving and becomes non moving is there a brake-system or a natural slowing down like in pendulum oscillations, 

Probably all answers may be there in the write up, i may have to read and get to know , 

these are my immediate questions 

Pranams, i may be excused if my questions are irrelevant.

Also, whether these movements are in straight line ?, only in one direction, or back and forth ie 

translatory   motion,? 

and where is the start point and the end point?

 or is it circular or elliptical? , or sinusoidal ?,

and at what frequency and what amplitude?

or is it a radial movement like rays from sun , diverging from a point or converging towards a center

Kalavathi Sonti

You people are as scientists. Try ing to find out through logic and reason..... But we see it in a simple way .....except in waking state. In the other two states time space is nt there.... So it is A nithya..... Sometimes Vedantha looks very easy ??? Na Rishi?? 

 Shekhar Ray "time, space, movement, and different velocities .....are these parameters are the same as we see perceive in the physical world as measured by physics" - there is no 'scientific' way to measure or perceive time-space. .... what we measure is not time but time span i.e. interval between two occurrence or space between two objects ...... it is because infinity can't be measured or perceived ........... movement, and different velocities are also just different values relative to one another ........ actually ancient muni-rishis realized the theory of relativity much before Einstein, possibly in a much better way. 

in reply to Shekhar Ray The many places and time which are before us, Are drawn by illusion in the board of life in a peculiar manner, By a great savant or an expert Siddha, Who can create them as per their will,  so desha kaala, time space are just maya , no reality  only relativity is the reason which creates that feeling,   amazed that you have refered relativity theory to scriptures, thank you 

In reply to Shekhar Ray Beejasyanthari vankuro jagadhidham, Prang nirvikalpam puna,  Mayakalpitha desa kala kalanaa, Vaichithrya chithrikrutham,  Mayaveeva vijrumbhayathyapi maha, Yogeeva yah swechaya, Thasmai sri guru murthaye nama idham, Sree dakshinamurthaye. || 2 || Like 

the germ inside the seed is its part, But becomes different after development  The many places and time which are before us, Are drawn by illusion in the board of life in a peculiar manner, By a great savant or an expert Siddha, Who can create them as per their will,  Salutation to the God facing the south, Who is the greatest teacher.

  reply to Shekhar Ray

 So,can we conclude

 1 there is no such a thing as time  present moment is the existing reality, no past no future,  

2 there is no such thing as space just vacuum emptiness is the reality  valuable, remarks thank you, it reminds me on dakshna murthy stotra.

"So,can we conclude ......." - No, we can only conclude that the question of existence or non existence of time-space is beyond the ability of our intellect ......... interestingly our great sages & rishis affirms (and also gives some guidelines) the possibility to go beyond intellect to experience the reality of time-space. 

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  Albert Einstein and the Fabric of Time  Surprising as it may be to most non-scientists and even to some scientists, Albert Einstein concluded in his later years that the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously.  I

n 1952, in his book Relativity, in discussing Minkowski's Space World interpretation of his theory of relativity, Einstein writes:  Since there exists in this four dimensional structure [space-time] no longer any sections which represent "now" objectively, the concepts of happening and becoming are indeed not completely suspended, but yet complicated.  It appears therefore more natural to think of physical reality as a four dimensional existence, instead of, as hitherto, the evolution of a three dimensional existence.  Einstein's belief in an undivided solid reality was clear to him, so much so that he completely rejected the separation we experience as the moment of now.   He believed there is no true division between past and future, there is rather a single existence. His most descriptive testimony to this faith came when his lifelong friend Besso died. Einstein wrote a letter to Besso's family, saying that although Besso had preceded him in death it was of no consequence, "...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is   only an illusion, although a convincing one." unquote

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Kalavathi Sonti I had a wild imagination......how great it is!! If the charectors comes out of the screen and meets the outside ones!!!!.Believe me . Udayashankar group did it......!!!the dancer comes out .. And enters again in to the screen !!!....That day my joy knew no bounds !!!! 

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Richo Akshare in reply to Kalavathi Sonti Ocean is the actor waves the character   ocean, flat screen, becomes alive , into waves 3 dimensional, multi shapes, motions, noise, force,

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Kalavathi Sonti in reply to Richo Akshare Adi sari........ Neelu office .....Leda ?? Kannanna???

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 Kalavathi Sonti Brhma loka and all you are trying to find out through science.........belongs to manifest world......The lokas forex. brahma loka belongs to another level of consciousness. like mixing events of the dreamworld with waking world incidents.!!!!!! No you cant do that

. Reply   |  Block user8 months ago View Richo Akshare's Profile Richo Akshare in reply to Kalavathi Sonti By trying to understand the matters of another level of consciousness, science is evolving to reach that level, and it has succeeded to a large extent by discovering the ''unified-field'' theory , by the most advanced scientists thru meditation under the guidance of maharishi,  ultimately science will rise to brahma gyan , no thing will be left unknown 

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 Knife cannot cut it

………… Since it is already cut and ground to the ultimate level possible into very fine powder in which no micro  particles exist, ultimate of powdered metallurgy,pulverization process

Fire cannot cut it

…………..since it is already burnt to the ultimate level possible into ashes in which no combustible fuel exist , with any  calorific value,  ultimate of pyrolysis, and  pyrotechnics

Water cannot wet it

 …………… since it is already rendered into water repellent, Impenetrable , ultimate of Waterproofing technology  

Air cannot dry it

…………… since it is already dried to the ultimate level possible and rendered moisture free, ultimate of dehumidification technologies

Brahman, the ultimate reality can --not---be known only through scriptures." 

meditation, is essential , with expert guidance

love, acceptance, faith, living in the now, scriptures getting revealed from inside

------are all outcome of experiencing brahman , 

these cannot be cultivated / comprehended/acquired/------ without it

with the experiencing of brahman in sufficient measure, 

one can discover newer and newer scripts within 

and thus becomes himself the creator of 

scriptures and epics, 

greater, grander, newer, original

The nature of Brahman is an all-time mystery for the human being, and that propels one to be seeking and striving to resolve it, lifelong, and may be life after life, till one finally succeeds. But a few get at it earliest in life by the right guidance from competent masters . once this ‘’state of Brahman’’ is gained  , immediately one will become instantly knowledgeable, life becomes an open book, no thing more to seek, but to lead a masterly life with full command over his destiny

That makes one to understand the coexistence of ‘’ opposing ’’ attributes harmoniously

He comes to know that  ‘’yes ‘’ and ‘’no’’ are simultaneously true

For example, individual is ‘’unique’’ and ‘’universal’’ at the same time

Brahman is nonmoving yet movement is there within Brahman

That which is nonmoving remains unseen, a hidden view of reality

That which is moving remains seen, a obvious view of reality

Let us take a example

The design drawing of a building is on a tracing paper, it is like Brahman , unmanifest reality of the building , building is not there on the tracing paper .

The designer knows what it is , it is a non moving reality of building

Now a blue print / Xerox is taken and distributed , it becomes a scripture giving the essential details of the building

Now this copy of the drawing is moving from hand to hand , drawing is not moving/ changing  it remains the same

But when this drawing is activated , ie to convert into a manifest reality , a series of movements start happening

Building materials bricks, sand ,stone, cement start getting accumulated, and get processed , and the earth is dug, foundation is made, walls rise, ceiling happens, paint/ color coating is given,

Lo

the building is created, and now it is a visible reality .

the no comparison, building in a drawing is just a few black lines on a thin sheet,

but , building constructed using that drawing is substantial in looks, size, shape, beauty, utility ,  all since that Brahman / drawing started energizing the movement of all materials into a shape

so Brahman is moving and non moving

once the building becomes old damage occurs, but the drawing remains unaffected, so Brahman cannot be destroyed, yet manifest aspect is vulnerable to change/ destruction ,reconstruction, repair

so Brahman is indestructible , but yet destructible in its manifest aspect

so both opposites stay  unified in Brahman

and in spirituality it always yes and no both 

All possibilities exist in the self but in the potential/seed state ever ready to manifest/sprout 

thru guidance of a guru things will be known totally in an instant, no struggle, no waiting, no uncertainty, no wrong moves

without guru, a life time is not sufficient

1 Brahman is an all-time mystery

 Since Brahman is the one absolute truth, 

which cannot be explained in words, and  

which cannot be understood thru words, since words are

inadequate , cannot help  really.

Also the absolute truth can be comprehended truly only by

‘’being’’ that Brahman itself

That being the limitation of words, and that being the

power of Brahman, 

and every individual entity being only a manifest aspect

of Brahman,  

as a jeeva, with certain unique  identity, shape, size, points of view,

capabilities and limitations, whatever, who ever expresses, however accurately

, that expression will be a  ‘’partial’’

and ‘’ unique’’  truth with reference to

certain parameters/ assumptions / understandings / experiences / perceptions 

but  never can be a precise complete full truth

so  it follows that

any two individuals can never truly concur, however much they debate /argue /fight/

assert/ shout/ convince/ explain /exhort,  

then is this debate / or any debate just a wasteful exercise??

No, it is an exercise in exploring one’s depths and reach as much deep as possible to arrive at the absolute truth if at all possible 

or as nearer as possible

A dialog with anyone ‘’outside’’ is a dialog that goes on

‘’within’’ the individual between ‘’the guru and shishya that reside in one’s self’’

Since each individual is a student and a teacher both

simultaneously

This is the most useful outcome of all debates,

irrespective of whose words are acceptable, concurred ,disapproved, disliked ,discarded,ignored,

So in the discussion we may not reach a valid, mutually

acceptable concurrence of views.

It ends with open ended

And this  exploration  by the ‘’internal’’ guru and shishya gets triggered when a person/ words/ phenomenon  is encountered, in awe, in wonder ,in fear, in

suspicion, in devotion, in hope, in various mixed feelings , and leads to discovery of ‘’internal wealth of wisdom’’, bringing out the potential powers/  enhancing one’s all-round abilities including the power of expression , 

one tends to overflow

in creative expressions , some times poetic/ sometimes musical, sometimes literary

, artistic modes , and all in bliss , ananda

So the outcome mainly is the ananda, nothing less , what

more is required!!

So ‘’the moving finger writes, having writ moves on’ , regardless of ‘’come what may’’ from the outside receivers

That is how , the life becomes enriched, fulfilled