Rama and Krishna

Ram is not called Purna Avtar. Only Krishna Avtar is purna. Rama was 14 kala sampurna and krishna was 16 kala sampurna. Shri Ram had first 14 kalas but the last two were missing viz. Paripurna & Swarupavasthit ... here paripurna means complete knowledge of all forms of awakening and swarupavasthit - swarup + awasthit = established in his real true self. 

Shri Rama before, incarnation had decided to hide two kalas....declaring him a God....because of boon to Ravan... in which he was promised that no god would kill him

So Rama intentionally hid his 2 kalas and behaved like a common man... to fulfil the boon that Ravan would be killed by a man. (this has a reply to questions like why Rama cried for his wife,... why he took help from monkeys...etc etc).

Krishna was simultaneously awakened in Jiva consciousness.....God consciousness... and Brahm(Turiya) consciouness.... that is the beauty of Krishna avtar.

Krishna Tattwa is unique.

!6 kalas are as follows:- That only krishna has:-

1) Anna Maya 

2) Pranamaya

3) Mano Maya

4) Vigyanamaya

5) Anandamaya 

6) Atishayini

7) Viparinabhimi

8) Sankramini

9) Prabhvi 

10) Kunthini 

11) Vikasini

12) Maryadini

13) Sanhaladini 

14) Ahladini

15) Paripurna

16) Swarupavasthit 

 

Krishna was complete and that could be witnessed from his activities-he was a philosopher, politician, diplomat, warrior, yogi, lover, renunciant etc. etc. It is impossible for one person to possess all these and that too in totality. Therefore, Krishna wasn't only the Supreme Person but while descending, he came with all his opulences. Rama didn't because his mission was to establish an ethical govt. and to teach people how to establish Dharma-rajya. 

 

So it's not that Rama was inferior but his purpose was limited to one aspect of life, namely how a king should be a raja-rishi and establish his kingdom based on dharma.

Krishna's mission was diverse, it was multi-faceted. He descended to teach practically everything under the sun, from politics and diplomacy to the highest flights of Vedanta and yoga. So people say krishna was purna-avatar not because he was superior to Ram (because they were both one and the same) but because his mission was integral and all-inclusive.

one aspect is that rama respected social duties

krsna transcended even them showing that god is above everything

rAma is maryAdA purusottama incarnation.

he accepted limits as to what he can do in his lila.

krishna is pUrna purushottama incarnation.

he had no limits.

 All other avtaars except shri Krishna were not poorna why ?

A poorna avataar is the one where the avatar is full conscious, simultaneously about his Jiva form, his God form and his Turiya (Brahm) form.

Rama was aware of his Jiva form and Turiya form but unaware of his God's form (that too for a purpose)

Shri Krishna is the only avataar who was fully conscious of all the three states of existence, simultaneously

 Lord Krishna was a Purna-Avatara, with sixteen rays (kala) Lord Rama was an Avatara of fourteen rays (kala).

 

 ………….from Swami Amaranandaji lecture notes:

 life process is a process of yagna ,

soul is s fire in the homa kundam ,

prani's body is homa kundam

fuel is food intake..

digestion is like burning

homam is the process of evolution from lower state to higher state

iron , calcium are inert

but when body consumes they become blood and bones, ie life substances

once the body’s capability reduces, it dies , but jeeva flame continues, it goes into new body

this is how life, death, life, death cycle continues

sloka ‘’aham annam…..’’ ie I am food , when food is taken by me, the food becomes me … hence prani takes food , not once, but life long

, all lower bodies  gradually, by repeated rebirth ultimately become the fire that is soul ..hence births and deaths happen for bodies..

 33 koti devata in Hinduism!

Posted by : shoumik dasTuesday, April 29, 2014

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The concept of 33 koti devata in Hinduism:

 

 The Vedas refer to not 33 crore Devatas but 33 types (Koti in Sanskrit) of Devatas. They are explained in Shatpath Brahman and many other scriptures very clearly.

 

 "Yasya Trayastrinshad Devaa Ange Sarve Samaahitaa, Skamma Tam Bruhi Katamah Swideva Sah”. ~(Atharva Veda 10-7-13)

 

 Which means: with God’s influence, these thirty-three (supporting devta) sustain the world.

 

 In Brhadaranyaka Upanishad while discussing Brahman, Yajnavalkya is asked how many gods are there. He says that there are three hundred and three and three thousand and three gods. When the question is repeated? He says, thirty three. When the question is again repeated he says, six. Finally, after several repetitions he says ONE. (Chapter I, hymn 9, verse 1)

 

 The number 33 comes from the number of Vedic gods explained by Yajnavalkya in Brhadaranyaka Upanishad – the eight Vasus, the eleven Rudras, the twelve Adityas, Indra and Prajapati. (Chapter I, hymn 9, verse 2)

 

 They are: 8-Vasu, 11-Rudra, and 12-Aaditya, 1-Indra and 1-Prajaapati.

 

 8. Vasus are: Earth, Water, Fire, Air, Ether, Moon, Sun, and Star. They are called Vasus, because they are abode of all that lives, moves or exists. (also mentioned in Mahabharat, 1/66/18)

 

 11. Rudras: The ten Pranas (Praana, Apaana, Vyaana, Samaana, Udaana, Naag, Kurma, Krikal, Devadutta and Dhananjaya) i.e. nervauric forces which live in the human body. The eleventh is the human soul. These are called ‘Rudras’ because when they desert the body, it becomes dead and the relations of the deceased, consequently, begin to weep. Rudra means one who makes a person to weep. { also mentioned in Harivansha 13/51-52})

 

 12. Adityaas ---the twelve months of a year called Adityaas, they cause the lapse of the term of existence of each object or being. { also mentioned in Mahabharat 1/65/15-16})

 

 1. Indra which is also known as the (all-pervading) electricity, as it is productive of great force.

 

 1. Prajaapati , also called the “Yajna” because it benefits mankind by the purification of air, water, rain and vegetables and because it aids the development of various arts, and in it the honor is accorded to the learned and the wise.

 

 The master of these 33 Devatas is the Mahadeva or Ishwar who alone is to be worshipped as per 14th Kanda of Shatpath Brahman.

 Rishi sees

 

sees dream while dreaming

sees sleep while sleeping 

sees wake while waking 

 

and never he is in illusion 

since he is a thuriaatheeth , ie 4th state coexisting in 3 states

He knows even wake is mithya, the ever changing reality ephemeral 

which is different from never changing reality that is brahma 

 

he knows lives brahma sathyam 

while staying in jagath mithya

 raag and thaal—great are these

together they rejoice

 

swing to the tune of raag

dance to the beat of thaal

 

you are siva, a nataraja

on the head of snake , a tandav krishna 

 

you are deva walk into the devalok, 

for a fresh look

 

you are gandharva, kinera, kimpurush

gaayan, vaadan naachan, you possess 

 

you are rishi

meditate, make life a sangeethshri

 

you are naarad 

all lokas are yours , a vishaarad

 

fly high unbound

flow in flood unleashed

 

walk on water

float in space, undeter

 

you are athma

dear son of paramathma

whom

sword cannot cut 

fire cannot burn 

air cannot dry 

water cannot wet 

 

free yourself

of all fetters that engulf

 

no need to be in well of sansar

surf heartful, ocean is there apaar

 

no cares

no worries

 

all vaporize

awareness raise

 

you do prayer

to yourself, be just a player

 May the Sanatana Dharma be preserved forever!

May the entire world be united by the bond of True Love!!

aspirations are high class

 

what is your practical suggestion to achieve this

what is the next step you propose to take

------other than writing one more good blog

“Naham Karta Hari Karta, Hari Karta Hi Kevalam” -------------- How would a sword know whom to kill unless the hand that is holding it does not decide ..... :)

No answer this , it's escape route

 

you are the master of the universe, 

 

the hand that is holding everything,

 

the mind that decides all things 

 

do not underestimate yourself 

 

you are no less

Surrender to almighty does not mean impotency

inaction, evading responsibility, passing the buck and relaxing

Klaibyam maa

 

----arjun, this unmanliness does not befit your stature 

 

what was kishan? sarathi controlled by arjun, working under his command 

 

also

 

uttara kumara is the charioteer, and brihannala , a shikhandi, is the sarathi 

 

who took the lead 

is it the master or the servant

Sanathan dharm is no cowardice, it's a great responsibility, demanding every commitment to take the humanity and the universe to higher and higher levels of existence , stop not till the goal is reached, the goal the ultimate absolute level

Take the entire responsibility on your head , look not for help from outside

once you take the responsibility , the help and resources rush to you, without your search or need for asking others

You are the matha pitha bhratha bhandu mithra guru devatha the protector the savior the sustainer the provider the care taker 

 

sanathan dharma is not just reading and writing reciting and singing the scriptures

 

it's the heroic living ideal for the heros

 

and to be realized in actual life the sum and substance of it , and thus become a light unto yourself and to all others

Sanathana dharma, if not digested with proper guidance in the light of self realization is likely to be misunderstood and takes one to a degenerate life of no action, discretion, weakness, dullness, suffering and early death , in the name of surrender 

 

true surrender empowers one to the level of almighty himself, enables one to dynamic action, resulting in the best good to one and the universe in every stroke 

 

he will not waste his life waiting, in wanting the superpower , to come and do what he has to , what he can do, thus making him a useless worthless guy fit for nothing , except big talk about god and greatness of his great powers

 ista devatha

if google is home page, you can explore yahoo, rediff, msn--not only google

if yahoo is home page, you can explore google,rediff, msn--not only yahoo

and so on

home page can be any

what is essential is purity of computer and connectivity to internet

in our ista devatha we can explore all devi devatha saints savanth sanths godmen --who/ whatever can be that ista devatha

what is required is purity of mind and connectivity to innernet