Let's grow up stop being communal and let's ask simple questions like.To discuss about God the first condition is purity of mind,heart and being.
How to practice all knowing God?
How to establish a direct Talking with God?
How to clearly see God?
How to practice omnipotent God?
How to practice omniscient God?
How to practice almighty God?
How to practice there is nothing but God?
How to practice it is always between you and God?
How to practice a all seeing God?
How to practice the only provider is God?
How to know God has loved you?
How to practice all the ways of love you have learned with God?
If you have been practicing and have experienced Good results for your practice please discuss.
Zidhar dekhu udhaar uski hee tasvir nazaar aathi hai.
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv Kisiko kaisey patthar maaru kaun paraya hai?
sheeshmahal mein ek ek chehra apna lagta hai
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo achaa soncho
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Vasanth Rv all conflicts including communal /religious/racial/regional are due to one single reason of not knowing the simplest truth on god ........and once the truth is known, the conflicts just vanish without a trace, exactly like how the darkness goes away at dawn
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo know thy self.Reach to self actualisation,reach to God realisation.
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo human is equipped with ''mind'' for this purpose , but with double edged........manam eva manushyanaam ...bandha moksha kaaranam .........wise saints used for god realiation and adiced us accordingly
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Vasanth Rv when truth is known thru direct experience,..all the essential FAQ's on how to lead a life in the best wisdom without problems and suffering ..will get answered from within , without the need of reading/ listening scriptural messages
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo Exactly cause if you read something which you do not practice and have faith that is useless.
Knowing needs to be practiced.
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo great teachers expressed from heightened consciousness...............unless they gain that level of consciousness thru own sadhana ..followers can never get full import faith or no faith ......just .teachings ...become useless or even harmful .....cannot be practiced ..........
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Manas Das "How to practice all the ways of love you have learned with God?"... the world is becoming madwith anger and hate......
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo Just one more push and anger and hate becomes love.
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Manas Das
Manas Das people are angry saying the same thing.....
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo Just one more nudge.or one more jhaphi.
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo love is the first automatic result of the experience of ''unity ''with god, then all in the universe become one's loving kith and kin ..............without god realizatoion all other love is just conditional/partial/sensory/illusion/short lived
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo That is the point of all the questions.Experience.
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Kakoli Sinha
Kakoli Sinha Beautiful sharing. Pranam
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv as the mind experiences the ultimate level of transcendental consciousness beyond mind, in the state of samadhi, the purity of mind,heart and being.start growing , ie thrikaran shudhi process gets triggered, ...as the purity grows thru intense sadhana of meditation , all glories start blossoming
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo infinite ways.
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo God is beyond consciouness.Anti consciiusness can also be practiced.God is beyond consciiusness and anti consciusness.
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo fully agreed on essence, only our terminology is differing giving rise to exchange of so many perceptions
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Vasanth Rv 1.and 5 ...How to practice all knowing /omniscient.God?..............................................there are two extremes... without guru, answers are impossible to know , but with sadhana with guru guidance, answers get revealed instantly easily, spontaneously from within .....so ....1... one starts to live all knowing omniscient god , he becomes a gyan murthi
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo When the student is ready God arrives as guru.
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo yes, student is ready at adolescent age asking/seeking/wondering/inquisitive on the life and its workings , right time for getting initiated into sadhana with upanayana sanskar, lucky are those who goes thru it....if missed, life long one remains searching till death...any time is ok to receive guru , god is present as guru parampara from long past to living present times
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo The one within is the guru he makes his presence felt When the student is ready.
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo supoose the teacher says God is great.Till your God within does not want you to understand that he will keep you opposing this very sentence.
The mullha from masidh loud speaker says God is great.This very sentence is disturbing crores across the World.Why?The innerself has not become sure you can understand greatness of God.
We need the permission of inner one even to accept simple statement as God is great.
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo external guru is like a match stick, just lights up /awakens the inside guru ...................this lighting up can happen by any or many ways including none, just incidental
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo some one teaching God is great etc will not just work, unless one is guided to experience what is /who is /where is god .that is why such utterances lose meaning , and becomes a formality ......some times to bigotry, slavery, ..with consequent suffering
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Vasanth Rv 2.and 8.How to establish a direct Talking with God?...How to practice it is always between you and God?.....first , to start with, a momentary glance is revealed, as the sadhana proceeds, the connectivity becomes more and more stable and strong and a dialog is established as if ..kishan is guiding arjun ...one's self guides itself ...that is called self referral, atma samvaad
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Vasanth Rv 3..How to clearly see God?....experiencing the ''pure consciousness'' in samadhi is the ''clear , transparent , unmanifest formless nameless god with all the infinite mahimas ...as the practice grows clarity grows and duration too grows from a few moments to a few minutes to a few hours to finally all time ....any form of god is a part of this totality , can be experienced with particual relevant manthras
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo Do you rule out the infinite forms is also God?
Do you rule out God has infinite names?
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv every form is his form ,every name is his name including yours and mine, and of any plant ,ant, elephant, stone, river, sky, stars, all...nothing excluded ......this is on overall level..............but some names and forms are special, containing ''concentrated mahimas of different types , ...33 crore gods ../33 types of gods .....................one point ..to be noted is a devatha is one of the several laws of nature that is governing the universe.....seers can cognize and record these, as revealed from deep tapasya/sadhana
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Vasanth Rv 4,and 6....,How to practice omnipotent /almighty God?.......simple, as the sadhana of god realization advances, nature starts cooperating, one's wishes get fulfilled just by withing , as if god is serving as aservant obeying his commands ...yateenaam brahma bhavathi saarathi ...this becomes a living reality.......one will be able to accomplish the impossible without himself doing but just desiring to do it thru his sankalpa bala
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo What if God does exact opposite of what you wish?God will only send what is Good for you despite you wishing what is not Good for you.
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo what is will power?What all it needs to execute it self?
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo agreed,perfectly said........point to be noted is that in the higher state wishes become sublime, universal, life supporting, one will not feel like wising hamful...............if one is at lower level, such bad wishes if any may get materialized, but god has a way of using negative wishes for positive long term purpose .....bhasmasur example clarifies
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv at edic level of life one's aspirations become totally aligned with over all function...sarve jana sukhino.....samastha loka ...etc will be his natural wish and reality of his life
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo what is good for and according to you may be actually bad for others.
My mom is kind of partial in loving her grand children her love has become poision for the same child.Others start to make that guy a victim.A love of a unwise can hurt you.A spank from a wise can save you....See More
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo vasanth have a perfect balance.Think of sarva jana sukhino do not forget to include your name in the list.
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo will power 1..on mental level is like tapasya at the begining, like taking vow and adhering against all odds it is tight rope walk , a determination to accomplish and willingness/readiness to undergo difficulties and then coming out with...See More
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo Sidhi means perfection.
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Vasanth Rv
Vasanth Rv Sandesh Saboo Sidhi means perfection, sidha means perfect ie he has the highest purity level, perfectly synchronized thinking talking doing and in tune with environ
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Vasanth Rv 7..How to practice there is nothing but God?..........simple, once the unmanifest aspect is mastered thru sadhana, the vision of one becomes refined to see the all pervading consciousness in the manifest universe.....he rises in his seeing ability to see te reality of ''anor anian mahatho mahiyan ....he sees his silent presence...his all pervading presence in smallest to the biggest ..
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Sandesh Saboo
Sandesh Saboo What is seen and what is unseen?
what is seeable and what is not seeable?
what is conditioned vision?
What is unconditioned vision?
What is clear vision?
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Vasanth Rv ...7.1....What is seen and what is unseen?what is seeable and what is not seeable?.........the laws of nature, or the constitution of the universe that underlies the functioning of universe in a systematic manner is the unseen aspect of the reality ........the visible universe with all its activity and noise , movement etc is the seen aspect, since it is perceptible by senses............but in rishi's tapasya the laws of nature becomes known ...also in scientists'discoveries some laws come to be known
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Vasanth Rv ....7.2.....what is conditioned vision?
What is unconditioned vision?
What is clear vision?.............................every experience/input leaves some marks in the memory, when one sees a thing his memory associates that new input with old input and this mix is the conditioned vision ....political agendas/religious indoctrination, parental/societal impositions /books/talks all distorts the simple direct perception, ie conditions the mind /conditions the vision...., it is debris.....accumulated continuously.....to eliminate this and clear the mind/ vision, what is advised is thrikal sandhya vandan, ie meditation where in one experiences pure consciousness clearing the debris day to day ........also periodically intense long duration practice of meditation is meant for accelerated cleaning and keeping it clear.............and after sadhana matures, this state of pure vision prevails permanently along with rich organized memory accessible at will
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Vasanth Rv 9...How to practice a all seeing God?.....since human is partial god, he has ability to see ...but thru 5 senses of perceptions, eyes etc...so human is in a way all seeing but with two limitations...1 range,...he can see only so far and not more, so wide but no more , 2.. that too in only in waking state .....in sleeping state he cannot see, also if eyes closed,cannot see ............but in the state of samadhi it is a different kind of seeing ......senses are inactive, mind atrest, but one is alert, aware, his is pure awareness, boundless, it is knowing , it is knowing ness ...it is being ........he is one with the eternal one continuum of universal existence, just a seer in this state one experiences the state of ''all seeing god ......... .if samadhi is stabilized, he can also ''see '' his own deep sleep and witness the dream also will know that heis sleeping/dreaming m, can wake himself up if wishes ...........laws of nature are ''ever seeing'' ...devathas are ''non blinking, ...animesha ......when seer knows that universe is running by the ever alert vigilent laws of nature, he becomes 'all seeing god
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Vasanth Rv 10..How to practice the only provider is God?..............it is obvious that every living creature micro organism to highest evolved homosap , requiring food/nourishment/air /water/ protection/ and perpetuation are all living /surviving growing evolving without some body giving food etc , even new born is supplied with needed nourishment , even while in the womb, and with mother milk, jungles are growing , no gardener is watering, all is from the one source sath, ie energy god is anna poorna .once we see this arrangement of nature, we can conclude that god is that provider behind the scene
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Vasanth Rv 12..How to know God has loved you?......since god is love, and since love is ''myness'' mamatha, the love of god is there unasked , felt or not felt ...the principle of ''matha'' exists in all jeevas ...ya devi sarva bhooteshu....maathru rupena samsthitha......not one mother, all pranis have a mother , mother is always a loving mother the very fact that mother is taking every care proves that god 's love has come to us inthe form of mother
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Vasanth Rv 13...spirituality is not a intellectual exercise, can be fathomed only thru practice, and surely unmistakably getting at the ''truth''...if not it is just a play of words or a game of egos .......self realization or god realization is surely a worthy goal in life, all fulfilling, deserves the best priority ...once the goal is reached, then life becomes an enchanting art, a sweet song and a delightful dance , an all loving existence, happiness unending ...of course there are stages /levels of attainments , but journey is most rewarding in every sense.............and all conflicts /fights are due to ignorance and there is no other solution than the single most effective root level solution of god realization
Vasanth Rv 14..'''let's grow up ''''...............what is growth??..... ..spiritual growth is true growth
all the rest is mere froth
as spititual growth happens,one is born again,
as a child, with a slate clean, with a mind a mirror
navo navo bhavathi is the nature of creative intelligence
renders one grow in the ability of finding new ways, new perceptions, more play,
burden of experiences off-loaded instantly as if a line drawn on water, gets deleted, automatically
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Vasanth Rv 15....Who sent this sentence to you and Why?.............god comes in many ways for many purposes to each individual for chosen purposes to teach/to test/to awaken/to guide/to chide/....all towards taking one from present level to a higher level, this happens till one reaches perfection in every endeavor...lucky are those who make the best use of every opportunity, profound or trivial
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Vasanth Rv 16..become divine to experience divine''............since truth has infinite facets, truth can be known by being truth, true ''knowing'' happens only thru ''being''......since divine is of infinite stature, divine can be known by experiencing/being divine....just knowing from other sources is not help,, even saannidhyam /nearness is not enough.....saayujyam/ unity /oneness is essential
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Vasanth Rv 17....thvameva sarvam mama deva deva.............what ever sustaining me/managing me from birth to death and ever after, till final liberation and kaivalya prapthi is all the love and grace of god, including good bad .pleasant unpleasant, painful pleasurable, including every breath , every heart beat
18..in the spirituality it is always ........''and''...''both''...''all''.....''whole''.....''all including''.....''it is yes and no''.....''simultaneity''.....''concurrently''....''parallel''...and ''serial''...''localized ''and ''spread''...............See More
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19 ..awareness/chethana.....has levels... shushupthi, swapna, jagruth .................and 4 th , ie thureeya human is blessed with capability to ascend to thureeya...which is the most essential and most worthy gain in life.it is the pass port to divine life and devlok , without it life is wasted despite all other great accomplishments in life............Ek saadhe sub saadhe is a phrase.....is referring to this
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Vasanth Rv 20....rest and activity are the two steps of progress.........deeper the rest more dynamic the activity will be ,,,,,,withdrawal is for recharging oneself .....ie ''being''..to get energized ...................being is the basis of thinking,........ thinking is the basis of action....,''engagement'' in action is the basis of achievement.......achievement is the basis of fulfillment................................levels ,high, low etc are word play it is a fact of life that growth is having a progression from seed to tree to seed ..... high can be new low .yes ..tree to seed
I liked that story of glow worm and monkeys. And your last statement that 'popularity is not a measure to assess truth'.
ReplyDeleteAnd, when did you become Msharshi!!??
To name me is to designate me
Deleteto accomplish the impossible ,
to raise me , to enable me
to live that name,
to realize that name in real life ,
to shape me, to mold me ,
to sculpt me, to cast me, to construct me,
to paint me, to sharpen me , to elevate me,
from nothing, that i really am
from the colorless tasteless odorless raw material that i am
to enable me to grow as a personality
as an entity , as an individuality,
to become a visible god
from the invisible deeper potential at the core
Names make the forms
name is a seed sown in the consciousness,
sprouts, grows, becomes the form
good names create good personalities
bad names, curses, create bad personalities
naming is a great sanskar
New name is a new life
narendra is vivekananda
gautham is budha
rk is param hansa
mahesh is mahesh yogi
rajneesh is osho
kaushik is vishvamithra
We
have namavali 108 names, 1000 names,
each is a powerful seed
in fact one name is not sufficient for one individual
an individual is a bundle of infinite individuals ,
having different potential personalities to be activated
and brought to surface by appropriate names
now an anti climax, on the limitation of name!
there is much more than a name can tell ,
since ''name does negate''
any name is associated with form, qualities, characteristics,
dimensions, geo, time frame,
and so definitely ''negates'' the truth of one's indefinable grand existence ,
and is a binding and a hindrance, a veil, an obstruction,
so it's not a unmixed blessing ,
how to reconcile the great positive potential of name
with equally negative potential?
simple
on the upward journey to reach the nirgun nirakarpara brahman ,
to the core of our being, the fertile field
from which all potentialities manifest,
one must ''get rid of'' all limiting nama rupa guna ,
transcend , go beyond and reach that field .
once established in that field, now the glory of nama comes into picture
here is the stage the nama brings with it,
all the mahimas from that field as if seed sprouts and yields crop of all virtues associated with every name, into the manifest daily living of the individual ,
makes him mahimaanvitha .
here is the significance of all the names of all the gods
and one becomes the shiva if one wants
or vishnu if he wants, or lakshmi if s/he wants as per his/her need and desire
all gods are now playing with him , sharing their unlimited powers .
this is how one needs to be familiar with his ''nameless'' stature,
and also one needs to invoke the names and enjoy the ''name-fullness'' of that name
ie, one should be able to traverse from parabrahma to any loka transparently, by nama sankeerthan like narad and be also on the earth plane with his official aadhaar card or pan card etc
think on how saints truly overcame the negating /limiting / downsizing effect
of the the name , form, and biodata, and asserted their real grand stature
Let us see what adi shankara said for these FAQs
1 Who are you?
He did not say his name is shankara,
But he said
I am not these limiting features
I am that unmanifest absolute
Shivoham,
He asserted once again
shivah kevaloham
2 where are you from, ?
He did not say I am of kaladi,kerala
But he said
Swadesho bhuvanathrayam
My land is the entire three bhuvanas
3 who are your parents, kith and kin,
He did not say parents x , y
But he said
Matha cha parvathi devi
Pitha devo maheshvara
Bandhava shivabhkthasya
4 who is your guru?
He would have repeated simply he is so and so ,
but he asserted truly
My guru is
Gurur brahma gurur Vishnu, gururdevo maheshvara
Gurusakshath parabrahma
brahma, vishnu , maheshvara are my guru
verily, the unmanifest absolute is my guru
he again delimits the influence of name negating the true stature of his human guru
really , the saints are so wise not to get bound by any factor localizing their universal existence, miniaturize / or negate their infinite stature